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- From: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Ideology and Indoctrination
- Message-ID: <108272@bu.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 03:38:22 GMT
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- In article <1k0tpu$5mp@agate.berkeley.edu> philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Phillip Johnson) writes:
- >Chris Colby complains that Darwin on Trial reports that
- >biologists have been hiding things from the public. Why not,
- >when leading figures have admitted as much on behalf of their
- >profession?
-
- Uh Phil, if they admitted it it's not really a secret now is it?
-
- >It is not I but Stephen Jay Gould who described the
- >prevalence of stasis and sudden appearance in the fossil record
- >as the "trade secret" of paleontology.
-
- Gould frequently writes stuff portraying himself as the wonder
- scientist and everyone else as a bumbling moron -- it sells a lot
- of books for him. This quote was likely followed by "Lucky me and
- ol' Niles were around to set all the other idiots in our field
- straight. Gee, I'm swell."
-
- Take a look at G.G. Simpson's 1944 book "Tempo and Mode in Evolution"
- and see if long periods without evolutionary change were a "trade
- secret" or if they were always acknowledged. Or see his "Rates of
- Evolution" chapter in his 1949 book "The Meaning of Evolution" for
- a shorter version aimed primarily at a popular audience. (Hint: releasing
- information in books aimed at the lay audience is a lousy way to keep
- a trade secret.)
-
- >An excellent example is the standard Darwinist delusion that the
- >peppered moth example illustrates "evolution" in any non-trivial
- >sense.
-
- The moth example is, by definition, evolution. There are few
- studies that document it in as clear cut a manner as Kettlewell's
- work. You don't understand evolution.
-
- >That this unremarkable instance of population shifts has
- >anything to do with the great creative process that produced
- >moths and trees and scientific observers in the first place is so
- >absurd to any unprejudiced mind that my lecture audiences
- >consistently laugh when I explain it to them.
-
- Please explain how natural selection is a creative process. Selection
- is differential reproductive success of classes of pre-existing
- genetic variants. This (often, but not always) results in a change
- in frequency of genetic variants in a population. Where is the creativity?
- You don't understand natural selection.
-
- >That isn't even reasonable by the standards of Darwinist
- >literature, where the creative power of natural selection is
- >often extolled hyperbolically.
-
- A lot of nonsense gets spouted in the name of evolutionary theory.
- This does not change the fact that there is good science
- in the modern synthesis; it just proves that people can write anything,
- no matter how ill-informed, about evolution and it will sell.
- _Darwin on Trial_ is a good example of this.
-
- >I recognize that this frank talk will cause offense. My purpose
- >is not to insult anyone, however, but to free minds. Many of you
- >have been indoctrinated not to question assumptions that are
- >based on ideology rather than evidence. You can be free of that
- >indoctrination if you wish to be.
-
- Gee, can I? Thanks Phil.. you're swell. How about demonstrating
- that a mechanism needs to be creative in order to be the
- primary agent of macroevolutionary change? (Hint: How are
- you defining creative and what evidence would discriminate between
- the patterns of biological traits produced by creative and
- non-creative processes?)
-
- P.S .If you are ready to discuss things based on evidence, not ideo-
- logy, you could perhaps comment on my recent post giving a brief
- explanation of the major lines of evidence for common descent. Are
- these things not evidence for the claims of evolutionary biology?
- Do you think all species share a common ancestor?
-
- >Phillip E. Johnson
- > School of Law, University of California, Berkeley CA 94720
-
- Chris Colby --- email: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu ---
- "'My boy,' he said, 'you are descended from a long line of determined,
- resourceful, microscopic tadpoles--champions every one.'"
- --Kurt Vonnegut from "Galapagos"
-
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