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- From: salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem)
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- Subject: Re: Ideology and Indoctrination
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:12:15 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.233822.9999@nntpserver.chevron.com> jviv@usmi04.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes:
- >I would like someone to explain to me what Phillip Johnson believes in
- >in somewhat less that 5000 words. Let me see if I can guess from
- >reading (okay, skimming through pages of stuff) his articles:
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- Without doing an injustice to what you have said, it is easly
- to very concisely state Philip Johnson's position without having to
- bring science or his grasp of it into the basic statement. It is
- the following as I read him:
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- Johnson: Because Mankind was created for God's purpose,
- Mankind could not have evolved from lower lifeforms and
- most notably because his Mind=Soul is not material.
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- Remember that Johnson is a lawyer and not a scientist, what
- he raises as objections to the science behind evolution is old hat
- and so are his brashly stated prejudices, and that I would guess, it
- is my opinion, that his chief concern is moral authority, founded in
- some trancendant divine order which necessitates Special Creation.
-
- Did I see that you are a geologist. I am too, and I got interested
- in this group because of my training in Biology and Earth Sciences. I
- used to spend much more of my effort here correcting misinformation about
- the claims made by scientists. I now leave that to others. I have become
- more interested in the obvious prejudice, unexamined belief, of the opposition
- to evolution, not because they are merely wrong, but because their ignorance
- comes from their inability to examine and test their own belief, not because
- relavant information is not readily available.
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- Asside from the futile attempt to get bogoted people to examine
- their own beliefs, there is some hope that we can get their assumptions
- stated in the open as philosophical propositions whose consequences we can
- examine. This frank discussion of what these assumptions mean is often
- lacking. Philip Johnson has made a contribution in that he is not shy
- about stating his prejudices. He is a notch above Bob Bales or Ted Holden,
- but I'd like to get him to work out the consequences of these beliefs.
-
- I, for one, do not necessarily think that Civilization, or
- society, would fall apart if morals were not dictated from on high
- or if they changed with human situations or were merely human artifacts
- such as the plough or birth control pills.
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- I do not think that spiritual enlightenment or purpose people
- find for themselves depends upon Special Creation, or disproving
- evolution.
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- I do not believe that Man's purpose has to be necessarily bound
- with a divine teleology. Man need not find his purpose in God or a Creation
- by God. Nor is it the end of the world if that world dictates not necessity
- to Man's existance in particular or to his purpose in being in particular.
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- Bruce Salem
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