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- From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
- Subject: Re: Moon Dust
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:29:04 GMT
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- In article <1k1a58INN3d1@dmsoproto.ida.org> rlg@omni (Randy garrett) writes:
- }One piece of evidence advanced for a young universe concerns
- }the depth of dust on the moon. In my younger years, I remember
- }quite a bit of concern about the depth likely to be encountered
- }on the moon. Many people expected 20 - 40 feet of the stuff
- }based on calculated accumulations. Fortunately for Neil
- }Armstrong, there turned out to be much less -- of order
- }a few inches. Anyone know what the accepted reconcilation
- }of the discrepancy is?
-
- From my FAQ:
- } - Lunar dust--only 1 to 3 inches, not 54 feet.
-
- The calculation you refer to is given by Henry Morris on pp.
- 151-153 of _Scientific Creationism_. It is based on a grossly erroneous
- figure of 14 million tons of meteoritic dust per year, quoted by Petterson
- in 1960. Morris misinterpreted Petterson's article. Petterson published a
- figure of 15 (not 14) million tons per year as an _upper limit_. In
- other words, Petterson said that the value is _not more than_ 15 million
- tons per year. He was not able to measure an actual value. Morris
- erroneously chose to interpret it to mean it was _equal_ to 14
- million tons per year. Accurate values were measured in the late
- 1960's. The actual value is much lower than 15 million tons per year.
- Dalrymple gives the value of 22,000 tons per year, nearly 700 times
- smaller than your figure. That changes your 54 foot figure into about
- 2 cm, which is quite consistent with the amount of surface soil the
- astronauts found on the Moon (it was considerably more than 1-2 mm).
-
-
- My copy of "Everyman's Astronomy" indicates that the earth collects
- about 9000 kg per day from meteors of visual magnitude 5.0 or brighter.
- Assuming a typical rock density of 3 g/cc, this corresponds to an
- accumulation rate of one inch per 10 billion years. Unfortunately no
- data is presented for fainter meteors. I wouldn't be surprised to find
- that the actual rate is one or two orders of magnitude higher, but "1
- inch in 8000 years" is off by six orders of magnitude.
-
- A dust accumulation rate of "one inch per 8000 years" should should
- create a spectacular yearround meteor shower, and cause severe pitting
- of the space shuttle windshields in just a single orbit. My quick estimates
- give values far higher than have been actually observed.
-
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-
- The "reconcilation" is performed by reality.
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