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- From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
- Subject: Re: Ideology and Indoctrination
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- Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
- Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 19:03:39 GMT
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- Oh boy, at one time I thought Phillip Johnson was making reasonable
- (although misleading) arguments, but now I think he has really gone
- over the edge. Conspiracy theories, fear of indoctrination,
- watch-out-for-the-bogeymen-of-science theories: these things are the
- last refuge of a desperate mind.
-
- philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Phillip Johnson) writes:
- >As Richard Dawkins puts it, a single cell has more genetic information
- >than all the volumes of an encyclopedia. If you don't understand that
- >explaining the origin of all that information presents a serious
- >problem, it is probably because indoctrination in the notion that
- >population fluctuation in the peppered moth is the paradigm example of
- >evolution in action has a tendency to cloud the mind.
-
- You cite Dawkins but give no indication that you have bothered to read
- (or to comprehend) what he wrote. Dawkins clearly explains that
- natural selection is a creative force; it is not blind chance like you
- and all other creationists insist ad nauseum. The complexity that
- appears in a single cell alone is explained through cumulative
- selection, not single-step selection as you imply.
-
- The peppered moth example is an example of natural selection in a
- single step which explains why it is so unsatisfying to you or your
- colleagues. Frankly it is just as unsatisfying to me, because it is
- so minor. No new species evolves in a single step like this (and in
- such a blindingly short period of time, biologically speaking). But
- it is illustrative of the way in which genetic changes can accumulate
- to form more informationally complex entities.
-
- Please stop arguing from Personal Incredulity, and start presenting
- scientific reasons and evidence to deny the established.
-
- >I recognize that this frank talk will cause offense. My purpose
- >is not to insult anyone, however, but to free minds. Many of you
- >have been indoctrinated not to question assumptions that are
- >based on ideology rather than evidence. You can be free of that
- >indoctrination if you wish to be.
-
- You are not going to "free" anyone's mind until you come up with
- a decent argument based on rational evidence. Your respectability
- just went way down in my book.
- --
- Brett J. Vickers
- bvickers@ics.uci.edu
-