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- From: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
- Newsgroups: talk.environment
- Subject: Re: "A Quarter Billion Years" (Greenpeace Press Releases)
- Keywords: rebuttal
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.134037@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 13:40:37 GMT
- References: <1993Jan13.050505.2746@truffula.sj.ca.us> <Jym.19Jan1993.1921@naughty-peahen> <29AQ02T133=a01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <1993Jan21.233417@aifh.ed.ac.uk> <89OV0240335c01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
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- Reply-To: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
- Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
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- In article <89OV0240335c01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jjh00@diag.amdahl.com (Joel
- Hanes) writes:
- #
- # agreed. I skip most of the "GreenPeace rebuttal" articles
- # as well, for the same reason -- as you point out, some of
- # them are nearly as strident and content-free as the GP
- # press releases they address.
- #
- # However, I have found that Russ Brown, Mr. Parsons, Jim
- # Hurst, and a few others actually provide hard information,
- # with citations, and I try to read their postings closely,
-
- Hmm, I'll try and get a look at their postings.
-
- # >Finally I would like to ask(out of interest) what people's opinions on
- # >other environmental groups are and why? Specifically the following:
- #
- # (list deleted)
- #
- # It's my perception that The Wilderness Society, The Nature Conservancy,
- # the absurdly-named Natural Resources Defense Council, and,
- # in California, Citizens for a Better Environment are doing
- # top-flight work on environmental issues, motivated by an
- # accurate understanding of the science, and a pragmatic
- # approach to politics. I'd say that the Sierra Club and
- # National Audubon society are almost as good; I give money
- # to all these folks.
- #
- # Your mileage may, of course, vary.
-
- Yeah it does, but living in Scotland it shouldn't be surprising. I have
- found that the World Watch Institute publications are well documented
- and have bought two of them(State of th World 1992 and Saving the
- Planet). It's the only specifically US based organisation I'm familiar
- with(Greenpeace & FOE are worldwide). Rocky Mountain Institute I'm not
- altogether familiar with, except that I've read a lot of Amory Lovins
- work and if he's anything to go by, they do great work. I am a
- member of the Scottish Green Party(which is separate from the
- English one), and find them to be very radical in their outlook, but
- their spokespersons usually have a good deal of knowledge and backup
- in their particular fields. I also subscribe to the Safe Energy Journal
- which is published by SCRAM, the Scottish Campaign to Resist the Atomic
- Menace. The journal is full of references etc... and this anti-nuke
- group at least has MOUNTAINS of reports, journals etc... to back up
- their case. I went into their offices one day to find out about the
- toxicity of plutonium(you may remember that posting), and they had
- shelves with all the issues ever published of the New Scientist and
- various other journals, they had lots of books on renewable energy,
- the history of nuclear power, radioactive waste disposal, public
- inquiries for various nuclear facilities, reports commissioned by the
- government etc.. In short they may preach a hardline anti nuke message,
- but they sure as hell have plenty of information to back it up.
-
- James
-
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- * James Hammerton * If Pascal is equivalent to the *
- * Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.aisb * mini-metro,then ML is the concept *
- * * car where steering is done *
- * * recursively using the gearstick. *
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