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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: I became pro-life...and pro-choice...
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.051404.28590@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan24.074055.11945@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1993Jan24.165434.23402@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan24.211606.2921@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:14:04 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan24.211606.2921@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.165434.23402@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan24.074055.11945@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >
- >>>Oh come on, Kevin, lots of tyrants have had their will enforced without
- >>>benefit of law.
- >>
- >>Is that what you prefer? Myself, I'd ...
- >
- >[Kevin's fantasy deleted]
- >
- >Of course I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
-
- You said a bunch of seemingly-inconsistent things, Galen:
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- A) You felt that laws were generally ineffective
-
- B) You felt that "enforcement", on the other hand, helped to curb
- crime
-
- and
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- C) You offered tyranny as the sole example of how one can have
- "enforcement" without first having laws
-
- The only way to reconcile (A) and (B) is to implement "enforcement without
- laws", and (C) gives the only example of how to achieve this, i.e. tyranny.
-
- Was I wrong to draw the inference I did?
-
- >>I distinguish between "force" and "enforcement", by the way. "Force" is just
- >>a general term. "Enforcement", on the other hand, implies the use of force
- >>towards a particular goal. Laws reflect goals for which it is valid to use
- >>force. Democracies pass laws which reflect their people's ideas of what goals
- >>are valuable and what aren't. It actually works, Galen. You'd be surprised.
- >
- >The validity of using force in concert with goals, whether legal or not has
- >implications I won't get into right now. Of course, I didn't bring up
- >"force" at all, and I certainly didn't try to contrast it either "enforcement"
- >or anything else.
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- "Enforcement without laws" tends to imply raw, arbitrary force, such as might
- be used by a tyrant.
-
- - Kevin
-