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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Organization: AT&T
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:29:56 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.132956.12917@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <markp.726853035@joplin.wri.com> <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan24.200354.24658@rotag.mi.org>
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- In article <1993Jan24.200354.24658@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan21.130708.13203@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- > >In article <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- > >> In article <1993Jan12.171943.27306@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- > >> >>
- > >> >...I take this opportunity to point out that
- > >> >much of what the abortion debate is about is the matter of who
- > >> >is best able to determine what is best for the woman involved:
- > >> >the state by fiat or the individual woman (with the best advice
- > >> >she is able to obtain)? There is a certain arrogance inherent
- > >> >in the belief that women are unable to make a correct decision
- > >> >for themselves when they are facing an unwanted pregnancy.
- > >>
- > >> I have no doubt that most if not nearly all women can make the best
- > >> decision for THEMSELVES, Dean. What is being questioned here, however, is
- > >> whether what's best for an individual woman may or may not be necessarily
- > >> best for the collective. After all, it's not just a decision that affects a
- > >> woman's body, it's also a decision that affects whether or not the
- > >> collective gets a new member. So shouldn't the collective at least get a
- > >> voice in the decision?
- > >
- > >The logical consequences of your statement are very far-reaching,
- > >but to keep this as short as possible, the sister to your statement
- > >is that the collective should then also have a voice in whether
- > >people have children at all. The collective, by your view,
- > >then can order pregnancies and enforce child-bearing, not
- > >simply prohibit abortion.
- >
- > Er, where did I say "prohibit"? I said they should have a voice. I would go
- > so far as to say they may also offer incentives for socially "good" behavior,
- > and disincentives for socially "bad" behavior, as long as people's fundamental
- > rights are maintained.
-
- If that is the case, then you are talking about nothing at all and
- I apologize to myself for wasting my time. The "collective"
- already has such a voice. The discussion, as you frame it, has
- next to nothing to do with what I was discussing prior to
- your participation and is of no interest to me since it
- is moot and irrelevant.
-
- By the way, is this Kevin Darcy the individual I am addressing
- or Kevin Darcy the group?
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-
- Damn, sucked into another Kevin Darcy metadiscussion. I won't
- play, Kibble. You were almost interesting, and then I found
- you were just looking to be boring again.
-
-