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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:49:21 GMT
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- In article <C1869L.1Bn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
- #garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- ##
- ##In article <C0vKJq.FJJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
- ##[included text deleted]
- ###Can you believe this? She's using sources and studies that are anywhere
- ###from 50 to 115 years before Roe v Wade! The ONLY source she listed
- ###that was anywhere near 1973 was one quoted by Planned Parenthood in 1957!
- #
- ##(Does anyone else get a number greater than or equal to 50 when they
- ##subtract 1957 from 1973?)
- #
- ##Some moron claimed that NARAL's estimates of the incidence of illegal
- ##abortion prior to Roe was a complete fabrication. I had suggested
- ##that this person look at contemporaneous estimates of the incidence,
- ##but they requested that I do their research for them. Because I
- ##wanted to show people that there were many estimates of large
- ##numbers of women having illegal abortions, I did some of that research.
- #
- ###Do you actually expect us to accept any of these as credible?
- #
- ##It depends on what you mean by credible. I think that any estimates
- ##of illegal activity are suspect, since the activities will be
- ##concealed if at all possible.
- #
- ###The incidence of illegal abortion in 1860 has NOTHING to do with the ruling
- ###in Roe v Wade in 1973. Comparing medical practices across this vast time
- ###is like comparing a slide rule with a supercomputer.
- #
- ##Actually, it has something to do with it. Unlike you, Blackmun researched
- ##the issue before stating his opinion. You might try learning something
- ##about the issue.
- #
- ###Hell, they didn't even have penicillin at most of the times she so
- ###smugly quotes.
- #
- ##I would imagine that most particpants on t.a. are aware of this. Did
- ##you have to go look it up?
- #
- ##I wonder if you are also aware that penicillin (and other antiobiotics)
- ##require a doctor's prescription. I wonder if you are aware of how
- ##long women usually waited before seeking medical attention following
- ##a botched, illegal abortion. I wonder if you know that not all
- ##infections respond to treatment. I don't wonder if you care or not -
- ##it's obvious that you don't.
- #
- ##Susan
- #
- #You still haven't given us any reason to respect how abortion rates
- #from 1860 have anything to do with Roe v Wade.
-
- You quoted my response to this question, which disproves your
- claim.
-
- #Also, I did not personally
- #call into question any statistics regarding the NUMBER of abortions
- #prior to Roe v Wade as claimed by NARAL. What I DID question was the
- #number of DEATHS, which you did not address whatsoever.
-
- Read, or ask someone to read to you, the original article. I addressed
- the number of deaths in it.
-
- #I will not grace your condescending innuendo with any response other
- #than this one.
-
- In other words, you're upset because I had documentation for my claims
- while you do not. Carry on in ignorance, Simmonds, it suits
- you.
-
- #Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers
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-
- "I am God."
-
- Edward Simmonds (vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu),
- in article <C04w4u.CBs@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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