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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:41:39 GMT
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- In article <C1870B.1v8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
- #dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- #
- ##In article <1993Jan20.210343.23208@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- ##decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- ###dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- ####garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- #####dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- #
- ###### it is questionable whether Ms. Garvin's estimates could be
- ###### applied to today's situation.
- #
- ##### Of course, I never claimed that they could.
- #
- #### Then we agree that your estimates are worthless.
- #### Why are you still arguing the point?
- #
- ### Susan never said any such thing.
- #
- ##Tsk, tsk, you should really follow threads more carefully before
- ##you open your mouth. In a reply to Edward Simmonds, Ms. Garvin
- ##did indeed suggest that her estimates of the number of illegal
- ##abortions during the 19th century could be applied to today's
- ##situation:
- #
- #Absolutely. This whole topic was started based on my comments on the
- #number of deaths from illegal abortions claimed by NARAL before
- #Roe v Wade. Susan started quoting info on the number of abortions,
- #which was not what I asked about in the first place!!!
-
- I also quoted estimates on the number of deaths from illegal
- abortions. If you had read the article as I wrote it, rather
- than Reverend Holtsinger's version of my article, you would
- know this.
-
- By the way, what is the article number in which you provided
- the references that you had promised on this subject?
-
- ## # The incidence of illegal abortion in 1860 has NOTHING to do with the ruling
- ## # in Roe v Wade in 1973. Comparing medical practices across this vast time
- ## # is like comparing a slide rule with a supercomputer.
- #
- ## Actually, it has something to do with it.
- #
- ## <C0wM37.KE2.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- ## garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- #
- #
- ##And now we see Ms. Garvin furiously back-pedaling from that suggestion.
- #
- #Ditto.
-
- No, you see me saying that I meant what I said. I said that
- Blackmun had done similar research. Of course, DODie deleted
- that part. It was in a post that replied to one of your
- articles, and you even replied to the post. I hope that
- you don't mind proving that you're either a liar or an
- idiot.
-
- ### Only a stupid person would conclude that therefore they are
- ### worthless.
- #
- ##Her estimates are worthless to the extent that they cannot be
- ##used today in any meaningful fashion. They do help soothe
- ##yours and Ms. Garvin's precious little egos though....
- ##
- #
- #Ditto.
-
- I'll assume that you, like DODie, are incapable of understanding
- the relevance of history.
-
- #[Editors note: Author expecting flames for agreeing with Mr. Holtsinger]
-
- If the Reverend Holtsinger had been telling the truth, or
- even making sense, you would not need to expect such flames for
- agreeing with him. It's nice to know that you knew a priori
- that you were agreeing with a liar and a fool.
-
- ###Dean Kaflowitz
- #
- #
- ## "I'm only really good at judging colored semen contests, anyway."
- ## sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
- #
- ##Doug Holtsinger
- #
- #
- #
- #Great job Doug,
- #
- #
- #Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers
-
- Let's see if Simmonds approves of DODie's tactics in general...
-
- Susan
-
- "My final action will be to abort all homeless and poor welfare families
- because I have decided that they are not living productive, fulfilling
- lives, and I am God. These are humans, because they are scraping out a
- sparse survival in our world, but since I'm God I feel it would be more
- compassionate if I ended their misery."
- - Edward Simmonds (vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu),
- in article <C04w4u.CBs@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
-