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- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Path: sparky!uunet!well!sarfatti
- From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
- Subject: re: White Paper DOD and CIA funding of paranormal.
- Message-ID: <C1HzuI.LBt@well.sf.ca.us>
- Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us
- Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:42:18 GMT
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- From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
- Subject: Re: New Physics, Healing, Paranormal
- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:09:44 GMT
- Lines: 33
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- In article <C1GEpL.4H7@well.sf.ca.us>, sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack
- Sarfatti) wr
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- ites in part:
- |> The gossip
- |> is that Martin Gardner and the arch-debunker, "The Amazing Randi" take
- |> psychic phenomena very seriously. That is why they came down so hard on
- Uri
- |> Geller because they believe him to be an imposter - a stage magician in
- |> psychic clothes. It is certainly true that Randi can do everything that
- |> Geller can do. It is also true that Geller fails rigorous tests set up by
- |> other stage magicians.
-
- You really shouldn't repeat unsubstantiated gossip about individuals.
- However, these comments are pretty slippery. Yes, MG and JR "take
- psychic phenoman very seriously"--why else would they spend so much
- time and effort debunking such claims. And yes they came down hard
- on UG because they believe him to be an imposter. And you state the
- essence of the claims against UG. What exactly are you trying to
- say?
-
- And by the way, claims that the military/CIA have successfully used
- and believe in remote viewing are most likely lies or mistakes. Next
- thing you'll be telling me is that something is true because Richard
- Nixon said so in a press conference. Puh-leeeze.
-
- |> On the other hand, I saw topologically intricate
- |> twisted metal allegedly bent by psychics in Brazil that is very puzzling.
-
- I can't realy help you being puzzled. Many things puzzle me, but
- most aren't remotely psychic.
-
- --
-
- Robert E. McGrath
- Urbana Illinois
-
- Dear Robert,
- I am presenting both side of the issue - it's a White Paper for politicians,
- military intelligence officers, bankers, CEOs of multinationals - these are
- busy men and women who do not want to know the precise references! This is
- not for scientists - but for the people who buy and sell scientists like
- pork bellies. Also it is a rough draft - and I am trying to elicit
- information from you guys that might be of value to maintain the objectivity
- of the information - your future salaries may well depend upon it. I don't
- know if you have noticed that university budgets for physics are in decline.
-
- As for DOD/CIA there are many publications on their funding of paranormal,
- New York Times had several articles - ask William Broad at Times. Check out
- Military Review and Signal - two professional magazines for military. There
- is a book - that I helped to write by Ron Mc Rae, MIND WARS (St Martins
- Press). I personally worked with two Central Intelligence Agency officers
- who were involved. One funded me in 1985 overtly - he was at that time
- officially no longer in the company - was at "station chief" level - I
- got from the horse's mouth so to speak - not second hand gossip. You
- mid also check Michael Murphy's book, The End to Ordinary History which
- is a "fictional" account of real events. I was living in Murphy's apartment
- on Telegraph Hill during some of the episodes.
-