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- From: aephraim@physics3 (Aephraim M. Steinberg)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: photon 'detectors' - how reliable?
- Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:56:48 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan23.224608.16959@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
- >In article <1jms14$ibn@agate.berkeley.edu> aephraim@physics3 (Aephraim M. Steinberg) writes:
- >>In article <wwadge.727584610@csr> wwadge@csr.UVic.CA (Bill Wadge) writes:
- >>>I was browsing through one of the many 'pop' physics books,
- >>>
- >>> .. towards a detector which records every photon ..
- >>>
- >>>Is this possible? Can one really build a device so sensitive that it will
- >>>detect 100% reliably every photon that enters it, and never
- >>>go off by accident?
- >>>
- >>>Seems unlikely, but then I'm not a physicist ...
- >>
- >>Does seem unlikely, doesn't it? But it will happen one day (just about).
- >>
- >No, it won't. It's general property of QM that if you have inelastic
- >scattering (photon-detector interaction is inelastic, of course), there
- >always exists non-zero elastic part in the cross-section (see Landau's
- >QM I, chapter about non-elastic scattering).
-
- Thank you for the correction. I haven't looked up the reference yet,
- but I can believe the result; by adding "(just about)" I mean to acknowledge
- that no process is 100% efficient, but that one could get arbitrarily
- close in principle.
-
- Nonetheless, I am curious about a particular inelastic process which seems
- to me to be 100% efficient (in principle, of course), and I wonder whether
- (i) Some idealization I assume is not even possible in principle, OR
- (ii) Your statement holds not for cross-sections but rather for scattering
- amplitudes, implying that interference effects could be arranged to make
- the total elastic cross-section go to zero.
-
- The instance I have in mind is a superconducting micromaser cavity. If
- an atom in an excited state, whose excitation is resonant with the cavity,
- is sent through the maser, it has some chance of decaying. As the atom
- propagates through the cavity, it undergoes Rabi oscillations, emitting
- a photon, reabsorbing it, and so on. Walther's group in Munich has
- shown that by correctly selecting the atom's velocity, it is possible to
- cause it to decay most of the time. Now, if the cavity is lossless,
- it seems to me that there exist incident k-vectors for which the probability
- is exactly 100%. True, in a real experiment, there is a superposition of
- different velocities, and the cavity isn't ENTIRELY lossless, but are these
- issues of fundamental importance, or is it perhaps unfair to neglect edge
- effects when the atom enters or exits the cavity, or is my picture correct IN
- PRINCIPLE, and the theorem somehow evaded in this case?
-
-
- --
- Aephraim M. Steinberg | "WHY must I treat the measuring
- UCB Physics | device classically?? What will
- aephraim@physics.berkeley.edu | happen to me if I don't??"
- | -- Eugene Wigner
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