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- From: baez@guitar.ucr.edu (john baez)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: hidden variables
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 03:56:20 GMT
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- In article <510@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
- >However, if the real motivation was curiosity about how
- >the world works there would be far more interest and attention to the
- >conceptual problems that exist in theoretical physics. People would be
- >willing to take on these problems even realizing that they might spend a
- >lifetime on them and fail in their quest. It is an entrenched bureaucracy
- >that demands one takes on problems for which one can provide results that
- >are meaningful in terms the bureaucracy recognizes in a reasonable
- >time frame.
-
- You certainly have a valid point here: that the bureaucracy of science
- forces scientists towards projects that get done (or fail) in a several-year
- time frame. But I think it is an exaggeration to say that without this
- effect "people would be willing to take on... problems even realizing that they
- might spend a lifetime on them and fail in their quest." Some people would,
- but most, I think, still would not. Most people get depressed working on
- something that might take a lifetime and still amount to nothing. Most
- people prefer the sense of accomplishment that results from finishing a
- finite and doable task. Even you might find pondering the interpretations
- of QM frustrating if you didn't also have a job that gave you that kind of sense
- of accomplishment. (This could, of course, point to the good old model of
- the "amateur scientist" (as opposed to "professional") as the best way to
- keep science from getting hidebound.)
-
- Of course, many people who work on possibly hopeless tasks like theology,
- philosophy, foundations of math and foundations of physics seem able to
- *fool* themselves into a sense of accomplishment by convincing themselves
- they have achieved something solid when they haven't. (I will not name
- names.) The next generation may declare their work a bunch of rubbish, but
- they will die "knowing" they have solved their problem.
-