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- From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
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- Subject: Re: How to write integrals (was Re: The confusion of tongues (was ...))
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- Date: 23 Jan 93 21:32:13 GMT
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- In article <COLUMBUS.93Jan21101415@strident.think.com> columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) writes:
- >
- >On the topic of mathematicians' vs. physicists' notation, does anyone know
- >why most mathematicians will write an integral as shown below on the left
- >(unless they omit the dummy variable x entirely), whereas physicists prefer
- >the form on the right?
- >
- > / /
- > | f(x) dx | dx f(x)
- > / /
-
- Well, I got my BS in math and my PhD in physics, so no wonder I feel
- schizophrenic when I work with integrals.
-
- If all I had was a simple case such as above, I would use the first form,
- probably a result of my original training. Where the distinction really
- matters is in *real* equations (where there might be 3 integrals, some
- nested, and it requires a full page to write the thing down). In that
- case I choose on the following basis:
-
- In cases where the limits on integration are simple things like 0 to
- infinity but I have nested integrals, I will keep the dx at the end as
- a place keeper, in place of a set of parentheses (which I think look ugly
- around an integrand, especially when the integrand fits on one line),
- to denote what is covered by the integral.
-
- If there is any possibility that I will be changing variables or making
- some other transformation, I like keeping the info on the range of
- integration and the integration variable together, for the reasons
- Emory notes below.
-
- In article <1jn1jv$k1c@agate.berkeley.edu> ted@physics1 (Emory F. Bunn) writes:
- >
- > .... the reason I put the
- >dx next to the integral sign in multiple integrals is that it makes it
- >instantly clear which integral sign (and hence which limits of integration)
- >go with which variable.
-
- This reduces errors when making such manipulations. It also puts the
- differential in a place that reminds me to put in the Jacobian.
-
- Not that any of this matters much from a fundamental standpoint: just
- do whatever makes it possible to get correct answers efficiently. For
- example, I tend to cluster the integral signs together only if that is
- how I will program the nested loops. Structuring the algebra similar
- to how I will code it up helps eliminate transcription errors.
-
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