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- From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
- Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.medicine
- Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 03:52:57 GMT
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- nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
- >
- >There are shortcomings to every system. Canadians seem to be pretty
- >happy with their system, though. The main problem with it for Americans
- >is that it entails some rationing for everyone, for example long waits
- >for certain studies or procedures.
-
- That depends on where you live ... the federal population is just 26
- Million, with only four cities located west of the Great Lakes (you
- Americans would laugh at what we've squeezed in to make a list of Top
- 10 cities by population). Many of our problems up north are due to
- "market" size, outside of controls by the doctors monopoly as in the
- U.S. -- nothing to do with how we PAY for their services. IF you were
- to wake up in Toronto tomorrow, you'll still be a private practicioner
- and put up with the same BS that you do now except worrying about
- someone skipping out on your bill or being second-guessed by a "suit".
-
- >Rich Americans will balk at not being able to have premium service by
- >paying more.
-
- Private insurance covers your non-life threatening amenities ... we
- have hospitals run by private not-for-profit foundations that rival
- Cedars and Mount Sinai (e.g., Mount Sinai Toronto, Montreal's Mortimer
- B. Davis Jewish General Hospital, etc.) and powerful donors will get
- preferential treatment just like in an American hospitals [e.g., the
- Bronfmans of Seagram Distilleris are a major part of Montreal's
- Mortimer B. Davis Jewish General Hospital; there is a ward (either
- cancer or geriartric) named after family matriarch Sadie and I'm under
- the impression that Mortimer B. Davis is her father ... I guess that
- naming it after Sam, who ran hooch to the U.S. out of Western Canada,
- might be too much for some folks (-; -- we never had Prohibition in
- Canada, by the way, just Victorianism in the English part]. However,
- since everyone has an insurance policy there is no reason to jam
- hospitals like in America when they can pick up the Yellow Pages or
- call a friend for a referral (if they don't already have a current
- relationship with a doctor).
-
- >We are used to being able to get the "best that money can buy".
-
- Check out France, which has a similiar system to Canada and what
- Americans with real health insurance (not HMO's) enjoy ... they
- have a larger population than Canada in a more compact geography.
- The bigger population and a more aggressive market-orientation
- than the average Canadian (including doctors) motivates private
- practices to get more high tech gear ... however, the doctors
- are motivated to use it because it's necessary, rather than to
- puff up your tab.
-
- If you look around, you'll find that the Canada/France/Germany
- system is the second-most capitalist in the world next to the US.
-
- >It probably will not be too kind to us physicians, either (the
- >average Canadian physician makes half what his American counterpart
- >does).
-
- The *gross* pay is lower because malpractice insurance is an order
- of magnitude lower than in the U.S. ... figures I've seen show that
- the average Canadian doctor's (net) take-home pay is just under what
- the American take-home figure is, and that's because we're too small
- to justify the presence of very highly paid advanced specialists.
- Again, most basic market functions as we know in capitalist societies
- has been retained in Canada.
-
- gld
- --
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- Gary L. Dare
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