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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Re: Idiotic Japan Bashing
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.181648.14468@oracle.us.oracle.com>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 18:16:48 GMT
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- In article <727584544snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan20.002834.27142@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp writes:
-
- > > One of the really interesting things about this argument is that Gil
- > > is very comfortable arging about generalities, but as soon as I ask
- > > for an illustrative example he gets totally flustered. I contend that
- > > this is because Gil's position is nonsense and any attempt to produce
- > > examples will reveal this fact.
-
- >Ah, Michael, both you and Mr Tobis feel that you can trap me with
- >specifics within a frame of reference *you* seek to control, and when
- >I repudiate such an arrogation of discourse by turning back to you with
- >my own (albeit constantly shifting) frame of reference, you then accuse
- >me of getting flustered.
-
- Hey, Gil, if you want to choose the frame of reference, that's fine
- with me. Pick one and then give an example.
-
- YOU CAN'T, BUT YOU WON'T ADMIT IT.
-
- > > Now, Gil, if a plan does not describe various courses of action
- > > (sometimes called "action items") then what does it do? Perhaps you
- > > will give us your definition of a "plan" because you certainly don't
- > > seem to be using the one that is used in standard English.
-
- >Yes, that is exactly what I have previously stated you are after: a
- >definition of "plan". Your entire argument has done no more than swing
- >back and forth in confusion around this particular item right from the
- >beginning.
-
- >But since you specifically request standard English:
-
- > plan n an assessment of what must be done to achieve an aim;
- > project, scheme; large-scale detailed map; diagram of a
- > structure projected on a flat surface; detailed scale
- > drawing -- plan (pres/part planning, p/t and p/part
- > planned) v/t and i make a plan of or for; devise methods
- > of doing; regulate by a central authority.
-
- >(Surely grade-school stuff, isn't it, you could easily have found in
- >your own dictionary by searching down the column under "P"?)
-
- Great. Now, I think we are talking about line 1 of the definition,
- correct?
-
-
- > > >How about a little less bullshit,
-
- > > That's my line.
-
- >Please demonstrate that's the case if you expect to be believed.
-
- It's easy. Just read your verbiage above.
-
- > > No. I feel irritated by the kind of whining incompetents who can't
- > > stand up to world class competition and have to find something else to
- > > blame besides their own inability to produce quality product at a
- > > decent price.
-
- >Thanks for this further information on your agenda. But it appears
- >to me that you Americans are presently in that situation, yes?
-
- Depends on the American. GM sure as heck is. Microsoft isn't.
-
- Doesn't Autralia have similar problems?
-
- > > >Let me commend to you Sun Tzu's, The Art of War, that you might tap
- > > >into a bit of that oriental way of thinking, yes?
-
- > > I've already read it. Your point?
-
- >Sorry, you have failed to demonstrate in any way that you comprehend
- >the techniques he discusses and I thought you might benefit from reading
- >the book. Indeed, you open your argument here by suggesting that I am
- >the one who gets flustered!
-
- Once more, your point?
-
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