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- From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
- Subject: Re: Dialects and the weather
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.010453.28671@unocal.com>
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:04:53 GMT
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- In article <C19yHw.Fx0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch) writes:
- >Hello,
- >
- > I'm currently enrolled in a linguistics course (~intro), and someone
- >brought up an interesting question based on something they once heard.
- >
- > Basically, the question was, Is there any correlation between dialects
- >(at the time, we mentioned southern U.S. dialects) and average temperature/
- >elevations/rainfall/anything having to do with weather?
- >
- > Could warmer weather demand less physical exertion, thus pushing those
- >inhabitants nearer the equator to smooth out their daily speech, ending in
- >longer vowel sounds/etc...?
- > A thought that occured to me was that maybe, indirectly, weather played
- >an important role in determining how long the average person spent out of
- >doors. Thus, more time spent communicating outdoors may require more volume,
- >thus more strain on the voice, and possibly a window to an evolved language.
- >...Within my limited knowledge of southern dialects, I would guess the speech
- >patterns would be easier to produce and sustain for long, louder periods of
- >time.
- >
- > Conversely, more time spent indoors would require shorter speaking
- >distances.. lower volumes, and more energy could be placed on production of
- >more "nasal-like" vowel sounds, sharpness of consonants, etc...
- >
- > Being quite interested in this, I would appreciate any references or
- >ideas on the matter. Have there been any studies done on this?
-
- I am not sure if it Benjemin Whorf himself, or some of his followers who proposed
- this idea. I read about it many years ago. Whorf is a philosopher that claimed
- thought depends on language and there were special thoughts that could only be
- expressed in special languages. His favorite example was the Hopi language that
- has some unusal tense constructions and blurring between nouns and verbs.
-
- An extension of this that the physical expression of words, i.e. sound, has
- some connection with their meaning. I remember some treatise on vowel length and climate.
-
- Some religious philosophies, e.g. Tibetan Buddhism, have similar ideas.
-
- Worf's ideas have pretty much been discounted by later philosphers.
- The Chinese language is a counter example. The superficial claim
- is Chinese had no tenses (actual there are two tense markers)
- and Chinese thoughts aren't rooted in time then. Nothing could be
- further from the truth. It is as clear as in English when or
- whether something has happened.
- Also there are very few concepts that cannot be translated from one language into
- from one language into another, although the translation may be
- less concise.
-