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- From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Handgun stopping power. The velocity myth
- Message-ID: <19611@smoke.brl.mil>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 03:36:06 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.
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- In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930125134913.352@english.as.ua.edu> DHORTON@ENGLISH.AS.UA.EDU (David A. Horton) writes:
- #Actually, to be more specific, I think we can think of it
- #as a bullets momentum density (the momentum of a bullet divided by
- #its frontal area), and not bullet "energy".
- #Anyone have anything to add??
-
- (a) Velocity is a vector (i.e. directed) quantity as is momentum; what
- people really should be using the the magnitude of the momentum, or
- mass * speed. (Speed is the magnitude of the velocity.)
-
- (b) For the same mass, cross section, and speed, two bullets can still
- produce remarkably different results depending on their construction,
- for example FMJ vs. HP. All these attempts to reduce the issue to
- mere kinematics are simplistic.
-
- (c) Unfortunately, no simple model or laboratory test can exactly
- replicate "combat" conditions. We used to shoot animal carcasses, as
- the test environment most feasible near actual intended usage, but the
- press found out about it and as a result of the uproar we now have to
- use less reliable (albeit more reproducible) empirical test procedures.
-
- (d) Under even ideally controlled test conditions, behavior varies so
- much that no simple model accurately predicts ballistic behavior over
- a wide parameter range. We've developed elaborate, extensive computer
- simulations running on supercomputers, calibrated by comparison with
- an immense amount of test data, and still don't get perfect predictions.
-
- (e) An alternative is to collect data from actual usage, i.e. shootings
- of assailants, analyze that, and correlate observed results with round
- characteristics. The only such published study I know of for handgun
- shootings (Marshall & Sanow) has been criticized for perceived problems
- with its methodology; to give it due credit, though, it is really tough
- to try to extract the desired information from the records that were
- made without that application in mind.
-
- (f) Additional information, that one should give less weight to than
- controlled testing by experts or analysis of shooting incidents, comes
- from personal observation of medical, law enforcement, and military
- personnel who have considerable, varied first-hand experience with the
- results of shootings. Mostly, though, especially with modern military,
- only a limited range of ballistic parameters are encountered, so the
- judgement would be based on some subset of all available rounds,
- weighted in some fashion by the frequency with which they were seen.
-
- (g) Under the above circumstances, one's best policy is probably to
- take into account all rational sources of information about ballistic
- performance, not taking any one piece of evidence too strongly. If a
- particular round is widely viewed as having good stopping abilities
- using several different means of judging its performance, then it
- would be reasonable to have confidence in it, and conversely.
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