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- From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
- Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
- Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
- Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:05:52 GMT
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- Message-ID: <1k0vkhINN3ig@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
- References: <3X1sXB3w165w@pwrtools.wariat.org> <1jmrvpINN78o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
- Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
- NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
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- In a previous article, sysop@pwrtools.wariat.org (Valkyries--j. rowland) says:
-
- >I think there is a difference between criticizing and just ripping to shreds.
- >Didn't you say the whole thing was a total scam? Sure, the organization
- >isn't perfect and it has its flaws, but so does EFF. NPTN has been helpful
- >in encouraging the growth of other Free-Nets and have helped get educators
- >at the high school and elementary levels into getting involved with modems,
- >Internet and all that neat stuff. You attacked the organization, you didn't
- >criticize it.
-
- don't even TRY to compare the NPTN to the EFF. the NPTN tries to be this
- grassroots organization that wants to help students and john q. public get
- hooked into computers. doesn't an organization that consists of a former
- professor and his mistress strike you as just a -little- odd? isn't it
- strange that when someone requests info such a financial statement that there
- is no reply? isn't it implausible that for someone who's such a guru
- of cybercasting (grundner's own contribution to the OED) that he can't even
- put together an electronic newsletter?
-
- if you haven't noticed, most of the other freenets are nothing more than
- one box systems that make Freenet I look good by comparison.
-
- that's right, i ATTACKED THE NPTN. if you hadn't noticed, i posted my words
- to freenet.flame. you have to wonder about people who take seriously what
- is posted to a designated flame area. of course what i said happens to be
- true.
-
- >As for Jim Kutz, I believe that in the past he has pointed out what he perceives
- >to be libel in many cases which did not involve NPTN. To call him a lap dog
- >of Dr. Grundner is a bit nutty.
-
- he is a lap dog. *woof* *woof* but it's kinda tragic how even his
- co-sysops have deserted him.
-
- >I simply pointed out that he has been incredibly helpful in the past, and some
- >people aren't criticizing him. They're just ripping him to shreds.
-
- they aren't ripping him to shreds. INS is too wimpy to censure him, and
- most sysops are too stupid to ignore him. he's been helpful i'll admit, but
- he's also cost one student his job for joking about his name; he's gotten
- other users kicked off and has represented himself in an official capacity to
- internet sites outside of the university.
-
- i swear, either CWRU-INS is the bureaucracy from hell, or he has a sugar daddy
- somewhere on campus.
-
- perhaps they don't censure/suspend/delete him because it'd be more of an
- aggravation if they did.
-
- >Perhaps his libel bit was not right, but neither are all these comparisons
- >to Adolf Hitler. Gimme a break!
-
- he is a little hitler. and that includes the CWRU/Sysops who keep him
- in virtual office.
-
- >Jerry, if you'd like to continue this conversation, I'll continue it in e-mail.
-
- cle.* works for me!
-
- j.
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