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- From: kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
- Subject: Re: a universal set of fs commands?
- Keywords: fs
- Message-ID: <uTysXB6w165w@kf8nh.wariat.org>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:52:17 EST
- References: <gleasokr.727662027@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
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- Organization: Brandon S. Allbery's Personal System
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- gleasokr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Kris Gleason) writes:
- > kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
- > >And the partition ID is a valuable clue as to what the correct filesystem
- > >type is if certain kinds of superblock corruption occur that leave auto-
- > >detection schemes confused.
- >
- > Ok... you convinced me (pretty quickly) that the partition table is the one
- > place that any os should be able to figure out just what type of partition
- > is there. However, what type of filesystem is a floppy disk?? I think
-
- I didn't say it was the only viable way or the only way that should be used.
- Just that it shouldn't be ignored outright, just because some OSes have
- buggy partition recognizers. Bugs should be fixed, not hacked around by
- working software.
-
- > made in determining the fs type. Of course, you say that msdos has no
- > magic number. This is no problem for mkfs and fsck right now since there
- > is no such beast for a dos fs (are these in the works somewhere, I wonder?).
- > But, even without a magic number that the linux kernel uses, I would assume
- > that it is possible to detect a filesystem as being a msdos fs. Correct
-
- Sort of. I've noticed the Linux msdos fs type will attempt to read random
- data as an MS-DOS filesystem, report invalid parameters, and fail. Which
- may be the only way to handle MS-DOS; I don't know.
-
- > reports on might not be compatible with the Linux magic numbering convention.
- > At any rate, I don't think that depending on the partition table alone is
- > safe enough for a fsck command if it is to be automated.
-
- Again, I never said it should be the only criterion. I was responding to
- folks who said it explicitly should *not* be considered at all.
-
- I plan to use several methods, including (for existing filesystems)
- /etc/fstab, partition types, magic numbers where they exist, etc. The
- per-fstype executable that checks this has the job of deciding what the
- criteria are and doing the check, which allows the use of magic numbers in
- "nonstandard" locations, non-magic-number schemes like the msdos filesystem,
- etc.
-
- > >(2) I have a good reason why this shouldn't be done except as a default if
- > > they don't specify a size. It's called disk striping, which I'm putting
- > > into my gdisk driver.
- >
- > I meant for autodetection to be a default that could easily be overridden.
- > For simple tasks like mkfs'ing a floppy, this would be convenient, especially
- > with all of the possible formats of floppy disks.
-
- Okay. I like this myself, as long as it's possible to specify a size. Disk
- striping is a nice way to put those spare 20MB drives to use that you have
- left over from your XT days :-)
-
- > I like it. The only real problems that I see are the problems with the
- > partition table being incorrect; it might be a good idea to look at this
- > id with skepticism rathen than as absolute fact when developing code, and
- > offer a suitable alternate id-check for systems that are not quite right
- > (maybe an option for fixing in fsck? or is it bad to touch the partition
- > table without a reboot?) Also, the most work these commands get on my
- > system is with floppies. So, whatever scheme is used, I think a system for
- > detecting floppy fs-types would be important.
-
- Again, partition ID is not the only criterion it will use. And in any case
- mkfs will be saying something like
-
- mkfs: partition data for /dev/hda1 suggests minix filesystem of 32766 blocks
- if this is incorrect, interrupt within 10 seconds then use "-t fstype"
-
- (Which also gives you 10 seconds to realize you typed "/dev/hda1" instead of
- "/dev/hda2" and stop short of trashing your root partition :-)
-
- I've been thinking about this issue for most of the day, but I need to set
- some things down in an organized fashion before I can try to give any real
- details. (I think I was a bit over-ambitious in suggesting I'd have a
- prototype done this weekend. Besides, this gives me time to get my 330MB
- SCSI hard drive in so I'll have room to play with this stuff, not to mention
- being able to *test* mkfs after writing it. :-)
-
- ++Brandon
-
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