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- From: dgs@sfi.santafe.edu (David G. Simmons)
- Subject: Re: RFD: Codependency (Third Attempt)
- Message-ID: <_g-s0yb@SantaFe.edu>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:28:32 GMT
- Organization: Santa Fe Institute
- References: <1993Jan21.161415.11884@wam.umd.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan21.161415.11884@wam.umd.edu> angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.) writes:
- >
- >The group is for codependency, primarily ACoAs - Adult
- >Children of Alcoholics. There is an existing group for recovering
- >addicts, and a more general alt.support, but there is nothing for
- >recovering children of addicts or other codependents.
- >
- I'm not sure we *need* a separate group for codependency. The traffic
- is light enough here on a.r that even significant codependency discussion
- wouldn't overwhelm the existing folks.
-
- >From the responses I got to a post to alt.recovery & alt.support,
- >it appears that many co-dependents, especially Children-of-Addicts,
- >are not very aware of each other's existence on the Net, and some have even
- >found the discussions in alt.recovery to be actually damaging, since it
- >primarily consists of addicts themselves, whose problems are by definition
- >partly the cause of the codependency.
-
- I strongly disagree with the premise that addicts cause co-dependents, even
- partly. Codependents *find* addicts to be with *because* they are co-dependent,
- and addicts fill a place in their disease process. Addicts do not cause normal
- people to become codependent, except in the case of small children. (most
- "normal" people won't have anything to do with addicts *or* codependents) Recovering
- from codependency requires that we learn to exist in the same world with
- addicts without it negatively affecting our lives. If we run away from all
- addicts, even those in recovery, all we are learning is to run away, not
- to change, grow and recover.
-
- > In a nutshell, it seems that
- >starting such a group could provide codependents with a discussion forum
- >where they might not otherwise have known of anyone to talk to (on the Net, at
- >least) about their situations. Users could also choose to maintain lists of
- >contacts in various areas to help others on the Net get in touch with
- >local support groups, etc...
- >
- I think we should stick it out here in a.r and a.s. If an addict gives you a
- hard time, learn to stand up for yourself. I know that the first time I was
- able to tell an addict "that behavior is *not* acceptable, and it is you, not me,
- that has to change" was a major turning point in recovering from codependency.
- Besides the "opportunity for growth" here, it turns out that most addicts are
- *also* codependents (I'm ducking after that one! ;-), and we may be able to
- spread the message better, and farther, if we stay put, and speak our own
- truth about what we know and believe. I think that all the proposed functions
- of a.r.d are already provided by a.r and a.s.
-
- -David "New Mexico...Land of the flea,
- dgs@sfi.santafe.edu home of the palgue..."
-