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- From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
- Subject: Re: RFD: Codependency (Third Attempt)
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:32:18 GMT
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- In article <_g-s0yb@SantaFe.edu> dgs@sfi.santafe.edu (David G. Simmons) writes:
- >I strongly disagree with the premise that addicts cause co-dependents, even
- >partly. Codependents *find* addicts to be with *because* they are co-dependent
-
- This has come up twice now, so let me clarify publicly. I did not say, nor
- did I intend to imply that codependents are strictly the victims of
- addicts. What I was expressing was that many codependents learned their
- compulsive behavior through growing up in addictive households. In that
- sense, the addictive behavior they saw while growing up is where they
- learned addictive behavior themselves. Of course, it is up to the
- adult codependent to learn to break their compulsions and to learn
- healthier behavior patterns, themselves. However, it may be
- difficult for people who have only recently realized that they are
- codependent to break their compulsions if they continue to be exposed
- to the destructive messages they heard while learning this behavior.
- And some people have expressed to me, and I have found it true as well,
- that many messages heard on this board are sometimes more harmful
- than helpful to recovering codependents. I realize that this will
- be the case in any forum, but I think a newsgroup which is specifically
- designated for recovering codependents would help alleviate this
- problem somewhat. If codependents seek out addicts, that seems to me
- all the more reason for recovering addicts and recovering codependents
- to have some time and space that is separate from one another. I am
- specifically referring here to those cases where encountering one
- another could potentially cause both to fall into old, destructive
- behavior patterns.
-
- It seems to me that the reason ACoA and CODA and OA & other 12-steps
- exist is because AA realizes that each group has specific difficulties
- which are similar in some ways, but also different in some ways from
- the other groups.
-
- >Addicts do not cause normal
- >people to become codependent, except in the case of small children.
- I was, in fact, referring to people who have been in addictive relationships
- since childhood. There are many of us.
-
- >Recovering
- >from codependency requires that we learn to exist in the same world with
- >addicts without it negatively affecting our lives. If we run away from all
- >addicts, even those in recovery, all we are learning is to run away, not
- >to change, grow and recover.
- I would certainly expect crossovers between the groups. Some people
- would read both, some would read one or the other. I don't see why
- having a separate forum to discuss specific problems with codependent
- relationships & recovery is "running away" from recovering addicts, since
- most codependents are constantly faced with addicts (some of whom are
- recovering, though some are not).
-
- >I think we should stick it out here in a.r and a.s. If an addict gives you a
- >hard time, learn to stand up for yourself. I know that the first time I was
- >able to tell an addict "that behavior is *not* acceptable, and it is you, not me,
- >that has to change" was a major turning point in recovering from codependency.
- >Besides the "opportunity for growth" here, it turns out that most addicts are
- >*also* codependents (I'm ducking after that one! ;-), and we may be able to
- >spread the message better, and farther, if we stay put, and speak our own
- >truth about what we know and believe. I think that all the proposed functions
- >of a.r.d are already provided by a.r and a.s.
-
- I have noted your opinion, and if as many others agree with you, we
- will not issue the new group. However, I have already received a
- large number of responses from people who feel this is a good idea
- (both recovering addicts, codependents, & both). I will defer to
- the majority, of course.
-
- "Take what you like and leave the rest."
-
- Angela
-
- These opinions are mine, and they're ok. Because I'm smart enough, good
- enough, and gosh darn it - people like me. You know why? Chicken pie! :)
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