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- From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
- Subject: Re: A Neutral Prayer (was Re: Disproof of "Proof 2")
- In-Reply-To: solovay@netcom.com's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:17:53 GMT
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 10:05:32
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- In article <1993Jan27.051753.23966@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
- > This says that there are
- > three gods (yes, I know, one god, but in a threeish kind of way), and
- > that one of them had once had human form. Idolatry. There are numerous
- > other examples, such as "and the word was with god, and the word was
- > god"; again, polytheism. Two things, both of them gods. (And both the
- > same, of course.)
-
- You seem to be purposely misunderstanding the concept of Trinity in a
- way to match your expectations of polytheism. Too bad. You also are
- confusing polytheism with mysticism. The Word was God, there weren't
- two gods.
-
- > As to Jewish backing for this: The Rambam elucidates what constitutes
- > idolatry. This is laid out in the Mishneh Torah; if you want chapter
- > and verse, I can look it up. One kind of idolatry is to believe that
- > God had taken on a human form. The Rambam allows that this might not
- > be an idolatrous belief when held by a goy; but it is certainly
- > idolatrous when held by a Jew. All of you keep insisting that the NT
- > (except for Luke and Acts) was written by Jews; therefore, it was
- > written by idolators, and is an idolatrous work.
-
- Hmm. This seems pretty vicious. I wonder if you can find a biblical
- reference that God cannot take on a human form. The opinion of one
- rabbi, even Maimonides, who speaks against Christianity with full
- knowledge of its theology is not particularly impressive. In the
- absence of a biblical reference, it can be viewed as a purely
- reactionary anti-Christian viewpoint.
-
- Now I can find biblical references that refer to Jewish polytheism in
- the Old Testament. Doesn't Genesis refer to the creation of Adam in
- "our form"? Doesn't David refer to himself and other Jews as "the
- gods" in the Psalms? Does this mean that Judaism is from its
- beginning and in its flower also polytheistic and idolatrous?
- Does this make the Old Testamet an idolatrous work?
-
- --
- =Jim eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
-