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- From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
- Newsgroups: alt.messianic
- Subject: Re: A Neutral Prayer (was Re: Disproof of "Proof 2")
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.051753.23966@netcom.com>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 05:17:53 GMT
- References: <1993Jan26.153512.26825@ucl.ac.uk> <1993Jan27.005404.12705@netcom.com> <26JAN199322524077@utkvx2.utk.edu>
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- In article <26JAN199322524077@utkvx2.utk.edu> fnixon@utkvx2.utk.edu (Nixon, John Fred) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan27.005404.12705@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes...
- >>....and the Qur'an, and the Baghavad Gita, and the Poetic and Prose
- >>Eddas. Why give one pagan scripture pride of place over the others?
- >>
- >>Allow me to apologize for that. I was out of line in calling the
- >>Qur'an pagan; it, unlike the other scriptures above, is solidly
- >>monotheistic. It is erroneous, but at least it isn't idolatrous.
- >
- >Please post a proof that the New Testament is polytheistic, or offer
- >an apology. I do not think it is in the Jewish tradition to call
- >CHristians idolators. If it is traditional, then please give me a citation
- >for the belief.
-
- Nothing simpler. As to the first request (find an idolatrous NT
- verse), I offer this as just one example: "There are three that are
- honored in heaven, and these are the father, the son, and the holy
- ghost; and these three are one. [chas v'shalom]" (I don't remember the
- exact verse, but I'm sure one of you does.) This says that there are
- three gods (yes, I know, one god, but in a threeish kind of way), and
- that one of them had once had human form. Idolatry. There are numerous
- other examples, such as "and the word was with god, and the word was
- god"; again, polytheism. Two things, both of them gods. (And both the
- same, of course.)
-
- As to Jewish backing for this: The Rambam elucidates what constitutes
- idolatry. This is laid out in the Mishneh Torah; if you want chapter
- and verse, I can look it up. One kind of idolatry is to believe that
- God had taken on a human form. The Rambam allows that this might not
- be an idolatrous belief when held by a goy; but it is certainly
- idolatrous when held by a Jew. All of you keep insisting that the NT
- (except for Luke and Acts) was written by Jews; therefore, it was
- written by idolators, and is an idolatrous work.
-
- Q.E.D.
- --
- Andrew Solovay
-
- "Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
- ---The Tick
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