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- From: starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Easter whodunnit
- Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:55:58 -0500
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- In article <1993Jan28.092136.1435@nmsu.edu> epowers@mccoy (POWERS) writes:
- >> [I (Daniel Starr) write:
- >> There is an obvious contradiction in the claim that:
- >>
- >> A) the soldiers said they fell asleep at their post and
- >> B) they couldn't have been telling the truth because if they had they
- >would
- >> have been put to death.
- >>
- >> When the soldiers were (as the NT says) making up an explanation, why on
- >> earth would they make one up that would open them up to execution? THAT
- >> is a ridiculous piece of nonsense to swallow.
- > [story about the Jewish priest blackmailing Pilate deleted]
- > In spite of my bantering tone, does this answer your objections?
- > Erik Powers
- >
-
- Well, no. My objection is that the NT simply baldly says the soldiers said
- they were asleep. It doesn't offer anything to indicate that this is an
- unusual story to tell. Ergo the burden of proof is on the NT-supporter to
- show why this story of the (alleged) guards should not in fact be accepted.
-
- Now, if you're just trying to reconcile the text of the Gospels with an
- unwavering belief in the Christian myths -- what the people over in
- rec.arts.comics would call a 'retcon', or retroactive continuity -- then
- any story, however improbable, that fits these things that are assumed without
- needing proof to be true is satisfactory. But one can invariably find such
- a story [as indeed has been demonstrated...]. The real challenge that has
- not been met is to give someone who is not convinced of the NT but willing
- to accept it as usually honest an explanation of why one should not believe
- the Easter events as told by the (alleged) guards as opposed to the NT's
- allegedly non-eyewitness version.
-
- That is, Joe Q. Curious says: "This Gospel claims there were guards, and
- that the body disappeared from the sepulcher, and that the guards said
- they were asleep and it must have happened then; and the Gospel author, who
- according to his version of events wasn't there, nevertheless says the
- guards were lying. Now, according to the author himself, the guards were
- there at the time and he wasn't. And it's much simpler to believe that
- the body was stolen than that it vanished magically. So why should I believe
- his version instead of the guards'?"
-
- Now, Joe isn't asking "why _can_ I believe the author's version and not the
- guards'", he's asking "why _should_ I believe the author's version and not
- the guards'?" What answer do you have for him?
-
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