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- From: isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak)
- Subject: If Genesis is Fiction
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.214108.6772@aurora.com>
- Reply-To: isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak)
- Organization: The Aurora Group, Palo Alto, CA
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:41:08 GMT
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- The quoted sections which follow are from the email Wayne Folta sent me in
- response to the Flood FAQ, specifically in response to Davis Young's point
- that Flood geology is harmful to Christianity by making it less credible.
- I'm posting Wayne's argument because I have seen the same argument used a
- number of times before to justify a literal flood and even Creationism
- itself. In fact, I think Wayne's argument may be the sole reason that some
- people believe in Creationism.
-
- [Wayne Folta writes]
- > And if you delete the Flood, which the Bible paints as quite literal, what
- > about Creation? If Noah was not real, what about Abraham or Jesus? If we
- > can throw out Genesis as fiction, then we can throw out Sin, Redemption,
- > the First Cause, the reason for evil in the world, ... In short, we can
- > throw out Christianity. This "Evangelical" is slitting his own throat.
-
- There are several problems with this argument. First, the conclusion
- doesn't follow. I might just as well say, "If we can throw out the death of
- Scarlet's daughter in _Gone With the Wind_ as fictional, we can throw out
- the burning of Atlanta."
-
- Second, who are you to say that the Bible paints the flood as literal?
-
- Third, you are confusing "figurative" with "fictional." The statement,
- "with this argument, Mr. Young is slitting his own throat" is figurative,
- but it's not fictional if in fact Mr. Young's argument is hurting him. The
- argument you're responding to never said the flood story was fictional.
-
- Fourth, and (IMHO) most important, it appears that *you* are slitting your
- own throat, or at least strangling it. You have chosen an extremely
- inflexible method of interpreting the Bible. Lumping together everything in
- the Bible, as you appear to be doing, would make it impossible to admit an
- error in your interpretation of just one part of it. What possibility then
- do you have for spiritual growth?
-
- Too many people equate faith with belief, when in fact the two ideas are
- more nearly opposites. Faith (to me, anyway) means knowing that, when the
- time comes, I'll be all right when I let go of things--of possessions, of
- control, of old ideas. Do you have the faith to let go of your beliefs
- about the Bible to go in search of better beliefs?
-
- And finally, do you believe God created the world or not? And if so, then
- why should the Bible, which is third-hand at best, take precedence over
- God's original word in the Earth itself? If you throw out the evidence in
- the Earth, you have no choice but to throw out all of Creationism.
-
- > Not to mention, at the most basic level the conflict is between a totally
- > Naturalistic universe and a universe that is only a part of a Supernatural
- > reality. You cannot have both. It strikes me as ludicrous when a
- > "Christian" makes enormous compromises with non-Christians and then
- > expects them to make compromises back. An Evolutionist believes that
- > everything is explainable by time, chance, and the properties of matter --
- > no possibility of God.
-
- The conflict is there only if you want it to be. Yes, evolution is
- naturalistic, but evolution isn't the entire universe. Your last sentence
- is simply false. Some scientists may believe that way, but it certainly
- isn't a requirement.
-
- As far as expecting compromises goes, I don't really care what you believe.
- But what you write misrepresents me and others. The fact that belief in
- evolution is compatible with a healthy spirituality is easily demonstrated
- by the millions of people who have both. Your false dichotomy may make some
- people reluctant to engage in scientific study, and thereby miss a level of
- wonder, beauty, and fulfillment which you probably cannot even comprehend.
-
- --
- Mark Isaak "Every generation thinks it has the answers, and every
- isaak@aurora.com generation is humbled by nature." - Philip Lubin
-