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- From: swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen)
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- Subject: Re: TIME cover story
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- Date: 31 Dec 92 20:59:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.230540.14790@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, jbaker@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Baker) writes:
- |>
- |> However, it is rediculous to consider the two separate. To do so is to
- |> say that either we cannot make conclusions based on scientific
- |> observation, or that God is unknowable.
-
- Or that God is unknowable by *scientific* means!
- Whether he is knowable by personal experience is a *differnet* issue,
- and one which science cannot address.
-
- |> However, the results of the two should be entirely compatible.
-
- I agree. However, since I find science to be more a reliable way of finding the
- truth than theology, I am more inclined to adjust my theology to match the
- data than the other way around.
-
- |> It is interesting that creationists claim this is exactly what the
- |> evolutionists do with much of their evidence - they present the few
- |> cases that support evolution and ignore all else.
-
- Yep, they *claim* that. But they can never seem to present any real, honest,
- examples of it.
-
- Every time they try they just present gross misunderstandings of what evolutionary
- theory says, or else they make fundamental errors in data handling, or they
- bring up completely irrelevent facts.
-
- |> When you look at popular "scientific" authors, you find that many are
- |> making theological conclusions based entirely on their interpretation of
- |> a little data and a lot of speculation.
-
- Quite likely - this is a *human* thing to do. A scientist is not less human
- than the rest of us.
-
- The question is not whether scientists engage in theological speculations the
- question is whether they do it in refereed publications under the guise of
- doing scientific research. There is nothing wrong with speculation, or even
- theology, but it should not be confused with *science*, not even if it issues
- from someone who is at other times a professional scientist.
-
- I, myself, constantly work at keeping my religious beliefs conssitant with my
- scientific understanding. But I do not, by any stretch of the imagination,
- consider my medititations on this subject to be *scientific*. I would never
- even *submit* them to a refereed publication.
-
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