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- From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Susan smears Holtsinger unjustly
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.144259.646@crd.ge.com>
- Date: 2 Jan 93 14:42:59 GMT
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- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- |>Here's an example from the top of a long list, Galen: do you "know" that
- |>Kevin Darcy been arguing for restrictions on abortion? See .sig.
- |>
- |> - Kevin
- |>
- |>UNRETRACTED LIE
- |>---------------
- |>
- |>"Darcy has been consistently criticized for labelling
- |> himself 'pro-choice' while arguing for restrictions on abortion."
- |> Susie Garvin
- |> Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:37:06 GMT
- |> <1992Oct18.203706.21850@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- >From talk.abortion Tue Oct 6 18:37:18 1992
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
- Message-ID: <1992Oct3.205911.1082@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Sep27.163248.9935@hemlock.cray.com>
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- Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:59:11 GMT
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- In article <#bjzhpb@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
- >
- >I discussed this with Ms. Bartley. She used the analogy that, say,
- >it was not illegal to kill your child on the child's seventh
- >birthday. She said she would be uncomfortable with that being
- >legal. My response was, ok, say that it's been legal to do that
- >for the last 20 years. Say that we have absolutely no evidence
- >that large numbers of children are being killed at 7. Actually,
- >we have no evidence at all that any child had been killed at 7 just
- >because it was legal. Now, I'm fine with it being legal, but
- >not done. She wasn't. She seemed to want a law against it "just
- >in case".
- >
- >In case of WHAT, I say! IF it becomes a problem, then we make it
- >illegal and deal with it. But I'm uncomfortable with passing lots
- >of laws just because they sound good or make us feel better. I
- >want to know that the law is dealing with a real situation.
-
- You don't think there is any room for preventitive laws, Cathi? You're
- willing for the blood of unnecessary late-term abortions to stain your
- hands BEFORE you would allow (overdue) restrictive legislation to be passed?
- Isn't this the same "retroactive social planning" that has made such a mess
- of our government already?
-
- Look, the situation is quite simple:
-
- *IF* there are so few late-term abortions, and *IF* they were all for
- good reasons, then it doesn't cause any harm to pass restrictive
- legislation, since in practice there would have to be reasonable
- exceptions, e.g. mortal risk to the mother, severe fetal deformity,
- etc. And it could do some actual good to pass such laws, if they could
- be traded for a _permanent_ guarantee of the Right to Choose for non-
- late-term cases, which make up the vast majority of all abortions.
-
- *IF*, on the other hand, there _are_ late-term abortions being performed
- for trivial reason, then this is ALREADY a problem, and well overdue for
- legislation.
-
- Either way, I don't see why late-term restrictions should be opposed with
- nearly the same fervor as non-late-term restrictions.
-
- >Or, to look at this from a more crass point of view - any woman
- >that decides to have a 7-month abortion "on a whim" clearly has
- >some responsibility problems. If we make this abortion illegal,
- >we will soon be presenting this horrible, irresponsible woman
- >with a NEWBORN BABY to care for.
-
- If it can be proven that this woman is in fact "horrible, irresponsible",
- then she should never receive custody of the child. Period. End of sentence.
-
- >There's the first rule of good engineering: If it ain't broke,
- >don't fix it.
-
- I doubt that's the first rule, Cathi. How about:
-
- Anticipate problems _before_ they occur, instead of "putting out
- fires" afterwards
-
- which is exactly what restrictive late-term abortion laws purport to do.
-
- - Kevin
-