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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:59:02 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <1992Dec23.165203.58966@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> <1992Dec23.194112.15834@spdcc.com> <mattm-231292130250@mcmelmon.apple.com>
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- In article <mattm-231292130250@mcmelmon.apple.com>
- mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec23.194112.15834@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph
- > Francis) wrote:
- >
- > > grow fierce moustaches again, and everthing was bush until about the
- > > 30's, when everything just went straight downhill until the 60's.
-
- Note that Jojo was talking about standards of male beauty.
-
- > One of my design instructors complained along much the same lines.
- > His argument - partly humorous and partly serious - was that
- > sexually frustrated gay fashion editors began "doing everything they
- > could to make the adult woman into a thirteen year old boy."
-
- Oh yes those "sexually frustrated gay fashion editors" like
- Carmel Snow and Diana Vreeland.
-
- > If - after the screams of *homophobia* die down - one looks at
- > the transformation of 'beauty' through this period, one can see
- > certain elements of truth in what he said. The slender, gangly,
- > bobbish, androgynous female beauty icons *do* resemble thirteen-
- > year old boys.
-
- We're talking about the '30s through the '60s, right? So I
- suppose you mean to draw our attention to such "slender, gangly,
- bobbish [bobbish?], androgynous female beauty icons" as Jean
- Harlow, Joan Crawford, Rita Hayworth, Marilyn Monroe, Sophia
- Loren, Gina Lollabrigida, Carmen, Kim Novak, and Lisa Fonssagrives?
-
- > ...I should point out that this thirteen-year-old-boy
- > transformation has not only hurt and alienated older gay men;
-
- How are older gay men hurt by this supposed drive to make
- women look like 13 year old boys?
-
- > but it has been a constant source of torment to that much larger
- > segment of the population: women who sexually frustrated
- > gay fashion editors would *not* find in the least bit attractive.
-
- Have you ever read The Beauty Myth? I think you'd *love* it.
-
- Arne
-
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