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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:48:06 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <1992Dec23.173528.25908@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <1hadcfINN57a@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Dec23.225304.5907@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Dec23.225304.5907@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
- > In article <1hadcfINN57a@mizar.usc.edu>
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > >By starting points, what do you mean? [...] That rape-murders are bad?
- > >Sure, I go along with that too. But I have a problem once she goes
- > >beyond that.
- >
- > I take her starting points to be questions like, "what are the cultural
- > roots of sexual violence in our society?" Like you, I'm firmly opposed to
- > rape-murders (hey! call me a liberal!). But there are several ways to
- > analyze rape-murders.
-
- I was being facetious! But yes, I do understand her to be
- starting from such questions. In answering these questions,
- though, Dworkin indulges in some sleights of hand. She
- uses the most horrifying examples of sexual violence in such
- a way as to imply that they're typical. Then she identifies
- all men, gay and straight, with those men who rape, mutilate,
- and kill women. Then she argues that *all* penetrative sex
- between a man and woman is sexual violence is rape-murder.
- Anyway, Dworkin is far from the only person looking at these
- issues from a feminist perspective.
-
- [ ... ]
- > While I don't subscribe to the concept of collective guilt, I do think it's
- > ridiculous to believe that you can exist as a social and ethical being in
- > a cultural vacuum.
-
- I hope you don't think *I* believe that one can exist in a
- cultural vacuum.
-
- > I was and am shaped by my culture's messages about gender,
- > race, and sexual minorities, and it is a very valid exercise to think about
- > how those messages play themselves out in the lives and acts of individuals.
-
- Heavens, yes.
-
- Arne
-
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