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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.feminism
- Subject: family"* than Pro-Choicers!
- Message-ID: <725575767@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 20:49:28 GMT
- References: ooid.guild.org> <1992Dec25.013523.29135@panix.com>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Followup-To: soc.men
- Organization: The Scorpions Nest
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- In article <1992Dec25.013523.29135@panix.com> gcf@panix.com
- (Gordon Fitch) writes:
-
- >| GF>They are (1) to communize (or if you prefer, socialize)
- >| GF>child support; and (2) to use the method used by (I
- >| GF>believe) the Navahos, who allocate certain communal
- >| GF>resources to mothers with children (in the case of the
- >| GF>Navahos, arable land).
-
- Gordon, I asked you that following question several times,
- and so far you refused to answer:
- "Do you think that a woman should have a right to have as many kids
- as she wants regardless of economic considerations?"
-
- If the answer is "yes", please state how much of the GNP you want to
- allocate to support such women; if the answer is "no" then please
- present your own criteria for deciding when and how to stop a woman
- who keeps having kids that she can't support.
-
- >As I pointed out in at least two previous articles,
- >any middle-class type who had children under the world
- >arrangement proposed by "men's choice", at least the
- >Hillel Gazit version, would be crazy; they'd lose the
- >rat race.
-
- That's what happens today because of the socialist idea of *taxing*
- middle class people and using some of the money to pay for the
- stupidity of women who keep having kids that they can't support.
-
- If the taxes will go down, then people will not have to work that hard.
- Some of them will decide to have children because they want to. There
- will probably be fewer children, but there will certainly be much fewer
- unwanted children.
-
- >The effect of even _present_ mechanisms of support, or
- >rather, the lack of them, have apparently brought the
- >birth-rate below the population replacement level.
-
- Before the industrial revolution *most* of the population grew food.
- Today 3% of the population grows enough food to feed all of us. Now
- we enter a new industrial revolution, a robotic one.
-
- More and more work is done today by robots. We will probably be able
- to keep the same GNP even if the population will shrink by adding
- more robots. And if there will be a real shortage in workers,
- then we can always "import" more immigrants (it actually happens
- today in engineering because the Politically Correct public schools
- just can't "produce" enough students who can do math).
-
- So, what are you *really* worried about?
-
- > )*( Gordon Fitch )*( gcf@panix.com )*(
-
- "...13 of 17 valedictorians in Boston high schools last spring were immigrants
- or children of immigrants." -- US. News & World Report, May 14, 1990
-