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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Subject: Re: Damned Souls (was Re: Version Five)
- Message-ID: <725575740@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 20:49:01 GMT
- References: 25509230@lear.cs.duke.edu> <BzzF4s.HvA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Organization: Living In Harmony
- Lines: 54
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- In article <BzzF4s.HvA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >The first young man was not a good communicator and did not present his
- >case very well; he also had some very questionable philosophical
- >positions. Nevertheless his case had some merit; I've known sexual
- >users and predators of both genders myself, and the games they
- >play can be quite horrible. But a lot of people jumped on this young
- >man. Now, I remember you as *defending* him. Was I wrong?
-
- I mostly stayed out of that debate. The only thing that seemed to me
- *dirty* was his decision to fire a secretary who slept with Frenando.
- ("The girl had to go..."), and I asked for an explanation why. He has
- never answered that question.
-
- >>It certainly happens, and the Old Boys can get away with that, because
- >>the deal you (liberals and feminists) offered to them. Affirmative
- >>action is a deal that tells them "hire enough women and minorities
- >>and then nobody will be able to sue you about discrimination."
-
- >>They took the deal, and that was dirty act on their part.
-
- >>You offered the deal, and defended it for 20 years as "equality,"
- >>and this is even a dirtier act your part.
-
- >You are talking about the actions and positions of other people.
- >I can't necessarily defend them;
-
- But that's what you do - you are the one who defends
- affirmative action all over the net.
-
- >>>Let me add -- that as a middle-aged curmudgeon, I think my chances of
- >>>being hired as anyone's token are slimmer than a snowball's in hell.
- >>>(Not to worry though; I suspect I'll do just fine on my own merits.)
-
- >>Don't be so sure on both counts.
-
- >Of what? That my merits will be paid attention to, or that I have
- >merit?
-
- If you can be classified as "disabled" then it will be worth to hire
- you even if you have no merit - you'll close two affirmative action
- slots, and so they will be to hire other people that they really want.
-
- Anyway, if you want to check how will you do on your own merit (fat
- chance...) then you can refuse to fill up the affirmative action forms.
- This way it will be worth to hire you only if the employer
- really needs you.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- "There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over."
-