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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Subject: Re: Damned Souls (was Re: Version Five)
- Message-ID: <725575704@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 20:48:25 GMT
- References: <725509293@lear.cs.duke.edu> <BzzFEB.Hys@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Organization: Nefolet shel nemushot (Fallout of Wimps)
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- In article <BzzFEB.Hys@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu
- (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >What's wrong with asking for specifics? I certainly *won't* take a
- >position for or against "affirmative action," (or most other policies)
- >*in general*.
-
- Don't you have any opinion about the laws that demand affirmative
- action in *general*? Don't you have any "axioms" that let you
- have any opinion about the idea that the government asks
- every applicant about his/her race and sex and decides if to hire
- him/her based on that?
-
- Does it fit your understanding of "equal protection under the law"?
- Does it fit your understanding of privacy, and keeping the government
- off people's back?
-
- >>Did, by your criteria, Brian F. Weber was discriminated against?
- >>Please try to answer yes or no.
-
- >Maybe. :-)
-
- Can't you state any clear position, even on a case that was
- bitten in the courts?
-
- >However, I've heard of other cases where the evidence for affirmative
- >action is a lot more reasonable.
-
- 1) The Supreme Court decisions are the law of the land (as long as
- Congress does not pass new laws). That means that every man in
- Weber's situation heard from his lawyer "you don't stand a chance,"
- and probably did not sue.
-
- 2) In the "other cases," is the policy stated loud and clear?
-
- If a man decides that he is discriminated against, and therefore sues,
- is there a clear definition of the affirmative action programs that
- he can use in court?
-
- (In the beginning, that how AA was; after the University of California
- lost a case in the late 70's is realized that stating a clear policy
- worked against it in the court, so it kept the same policy, but it
- does not state the policy in a way that can be used in the court.)
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- "When I do it to you it's discrimination,
- when you do it to me it's affirmative action."
-