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- From: pw@panix.COM (Paul Wallich)
- Subject: Re: Mythopoetic ritual
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- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.041655.24814@panix.com>
- Newsgroups: soc.feminism
- Organization: Trivializers R Us
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 18:12:51 GMT
- References: <1h51fhINNfga@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <1h51fhINNfga@agate.berkeley.edu> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
- >vanhoek@bend.UCSD.EDU (Karen van Hoek) writes...
- >KVH> Me again, on the subject of reclaiming sexuality. In the book
- >KVH> "Women Respond to the Men's Movement" p. 4, Ursula LeGuin writes
- >KVH> about a gathering she was at where Robert Bly told her, "The
- >KVH> Men have raised a Great Phallus farther up the river. ... I'd
- >KVH> show you, but it's off limits to the Women...."
- >
- >It seems, given this remark and some of the others you made later on
- >in this message, that you rather resent the exclusion of women. To
- >this, I'd respond with an inquiry of sorts - Were men not also
- >excluded from Judy Chicago's notorious and celebrated exposition of
- >female-genitals-on-dinner-plates? (I was under the impression that
- >men *had* been excluded, though I could be mistaken...).
- ...
- >Indeed, perhaps the main reason why Judy Chicago excluded men from
- >her dinner gathering / exhibit, was because she was concerned that
- >men would "degrade" the exhibit by either gawking or what have you
-
- Huh? Double Huh? Well, I guess men were excluded from _The Dinner
- Party_ in the sense that there weren't any plates with men's names on
- them, or men's signatures on the tile floor under the table, but egad
- no, zillions of men have seen it. (And frankly,
- "female-genitals-on-dinner-plates" is not a particularly clueful way
- of looking at the exhibit, sorta like describing Michelangelo's
- _David_ as "one of those nude- guy-standing-up sculptures")
-
- I find it interesting that in a discussion about men excluding women,
- someone should "remember" women excluding men and proceed to base an
- argument on same. One of the whole points of feminism, imho, is not
- simply to reverse the symmetry of domination and exclusion, but to get
- rid of it.
-
- paul who knows which tee shirt he's wearing this weekend :-)
-
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