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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
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- Subject: Re: Understanding
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 17:52:57 GMT
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- In-reply-to: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk's message of 22 Dec 92 19:37:47 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.193747.3007@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
- >>That is (grossly
- >>generalizing here), if you say "all men are scum," a man is likely to
- >>respond "why are you saying I'm scum." If you say "women can't do
- >>math," a woman is likely to say "what a ridiculous stereotype."
-
- >Unfair. Saying that a group of people can't do mathematics is a
- >meaningful claim that can be refuted, whereas saying they're scum is
- >just a blanket insult, so it's hardly surprising if people are
- >offended by it. If I said to a woman "women are scum", I think she'd
- >have a right to feel personally offended.
-
- *smile*...you're right, the example was not parallel. However, if you
- *did* say to me "all women are scum," I still would not take it
- personally. I would probably not bother to argue with you (*grin*),
- though.
-
- >On the other hand, if
- >someone said to me "men can't look after children" (or pick your
- >favourite stereotyped female activity), I could attempt to refute
- >the stereotype.
-
- You could, but would you? What about if someone said something like
- "I'm so angry about the way men treat women like sex objects"? (Posting
- on this from the other side to come...*smile*.) Would your response be
- "but *I* don't do that"?
-
- Muffy
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- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
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