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- From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: DC vs Shuttle capabilities
- Message-ID: <72333@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:18:15 PST
- Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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- >In <keithley-221292165015@kip2-37.apple.com> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithle
- y
- >) writes:
- >
- >> What if we don't accept your points, don't want to follow you (blindly)
- >>and and don't want you to redistribute the $$$ in a way we disagree with?
- >
- >We'll do the job anyway, so that a couple decades from now, while
- >you watch the 6:15 to orbit, you can lie to your grandkids and say,
- >"I knew it was a good idea all along."
- >
- >
- >> Lets see a straw man proposal that clearly indicates (using the
- >>published Shuttle schedule for the next few years)...
- >
- >In other words, let's take NASA's word that it can follow a
- >published schedule it has never been able to follow before.
- >
- >And while we're at it, let's pretend that all the safety problems
- >uncovered before and after the Challenger crash have been solved.
- >Let's pretend that there will never be another Shuttle, that Congress
- >won't shut down the Shuttle program for at least another two years
- >(and perhaps forever) when there *is* another Shuttle crash, and
- >that the Shuttle orbiters will last longer than their 100-mission
- >design life as NASA is now saying (although the engineers who work
- >on them say 25-to-50 missions is more realistic).
-
- And just how well has Titan IV, Atlas II, or Ariane held
- to the schedule? All have had major headaches from time
- to time (with two being presently so afflicted).
- I have no illusions about the Shuttle's record, but I
- object to those who say these problems will not occur on
- DC-whatever, which happens frequently here.
-
-
- >> If the Shuttle "detractors" wish, produce a schedule that replaces every
- >>Shuttle flight starting with the next one. This would used purely as a
- >>center for discussion, because it would have to ignore the political
- >>realities with cancelling the shuttle *today*.
- >
- >And let's see you show how continuing the Shuttle program will lead
- >to real space development. When does your flight schedule allow
- >for a *real* space station. Not a trivial, insignificant nothing
- >like SS Freedom, but a modest-sized station (say 50 people) initially,
- >capable of growing to 500 or more over the following decade. A return
- >to the Moon and the establishment of a self-sustaining lunar colony.
- >Manned missions to Mars, the asteroid belt, and beyond? The construction
- >of *big* orbital telescopes, which make Hubble look like a toy. Large
- >numbers of unmanned "sailing ships" to probe every part of the solar
- >system. A manned station in polar orbit for meteorological research.
- >Space tourism. Space manufacturing. Solar power satellites.
-
- I sure hope DC-whatever will do this, but I think its a matter of
- decades away using any approach presently in the works. Maybe a
- Space DC-3 or 4, but not Shuttle or DC-1.
-
- >A true space transportation system would make all these things possible.
- >Since you demand that we show "a long term vision," you must believe
- >the Shuttle can also. Please tell us when these flights are planned.
-
- Again, no illusions about the Shuttle. It's the best we have right now.
- Whether DC-1 will probe to be THE Space Transportation System
- (where have I heard THAT before) is another matter. You seem to believe
- that we think Shuttle is the best thing since sliced bread. We, on
- the other hand believe the same of you and DC. In reality, we're saying
- "sounds like a good idea, but until you have something flying we'll
- stick with the Shuttle, thanks." I don't call that being closed-minded,
- I call that good horse-sense.
-
- -Brian
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