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- From: eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:06:23 GMT
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- In <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
-
- >Thousands (if not millions) of people have been tortured and killed in
- >the service of christianity. Even the thousand-year old conflict
- >between the celts and the anglo-saxons is now reported as a conflict
- >between protestants and catholics.
-
- On the other hand, in what non-Christian country would you choose to live?
- This century has tried several experiments in explicitly anti-religious
- statecraft - and the body count has been stupendous. In the enlightened regimes
- of Hitler and Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot you have exemplars of what you seek;
- and aren't you proud? Probably not, for it's unlikely that you hold the
- non-religious to the same standards you reserve for the religious, or identify
- yourself with the fruits of that point of view.
-
- It was in Christian societies that both modern science and
- liberal democracy evolved. This was not accidental. Nor is it accidental that
- wherever you find human suffering, Christians are in the forefront with aid
- aid and comfort. The Christian ethos has much of which to be proud.
-
- We also have much of which to be humble.
-
- That the New Jerusalem has not arrived and that Christians are sinners is
- tragic. We deserve to have our feet held to the fire for our divisions,
- our hypocrisies, our failures. That being said, I note that you actually
- call on us not to be less Christian but more Christian (and you, as I, know
- roughly what that means). It's a challenge I hope we take up, and the worth
- of which I hope you come to understand from the inside.
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-