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- From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
- Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.173950.8543@hfsi.uucp>
- Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO)
- Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
- References: <1992Dec10.211744.1@stsci.edu> <1992Dec12.005349.25319@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.034645.791@hfsi.uucp> <1992Dec15.002757.14586@netcom.com> <1992Dec17.180435.17980@hfsi.uucp> <NICHAEL.92Dec18095658@kariba.bbn.com> <1992Dec19.192457.26807@hfsi.uucp> <NICHAEL.92Dec21091411@kariba.bbn.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:39:50 GMT
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- In article <NICHAEL.92Dec21091411@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
- >
- >Do this: get your self a good (Greek!) Synopsis of the first three
- >Gospels and spend some time comparing them. Then report back to us on
- >what you find.
-
- Since I presume that you've already done that, could you please
- look up the Greek texts of the Our Father in Luke and Matthew and
- tell me if they are identical word for word in Greek. I would be
- most curious and greatful if you could do this...
-
- >
- > [...] As I said, IMO it is more accurate to think
- > of them based off of a common source or working document.
- >
- >And it is my point that your "opinion" does not coincide at all well
- >with the facts.
-
- Well I disagree (there's one in every croud :)). Over the years
- there have been many theories to explain why the Synoptic Gospels
- are as different and similar to each other as they are. Each
- theory has problems. Each theory solves a number of problems. No
- reputable text that I know of will make the claim that they are
- 100% sure that their theory is correct. The current Dual (Tri for
- Matthew) Source theory of Q, M(Matthew only) and Mark is the one
- that is favored today by most Biblical scholars, but it's by no
- means the last theory or the last word on the subject. The place
- where I disagree with this is the assumption that Matthew copied
- directly from Mark based on the almost complete correspondence of
- Mark's text in Matthew (although not verbatim as I understand it).
- I believe that there are other explanations for it such as a
- common source document. If you know something that precludes
- this, I'd be happy if you'd tell me about it...
-
- >
- > >There is _no_ sign that these Gospels are the result of random,
- > >independent creation.
- > Did I ever say they were? Please reread my texts again...
- >
- >Fair enough. "Random" was probably a bad choice on my part. But it
- >seems that the description "independent" is the very core of your argument.
- >
- >N
-
- Hmm...maybe I'm just not communicating properly, but you still
- haven't got it right. Saying that x number of texts were based on
- a common source is a far cry from saying that they were
- indepentently written. Is this clear now?
-
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