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- From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Subject: One man can't compete
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:12:17 GMT
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- Well, I certainly got the rise out of poor Tom Droege when I said that he
- and I are "not in the running." Sorry Tom, but Get Real. We don't have the
- resources or the time to do 200 experiments like McKubre, so as much as we
- would love to make definitive claims, we have not got enough data. The best
- scientist in the world cannot do everything himself.
-
- Let me put it this way: I happen to be a fine, fast, accomplished
- programmer. I can write programs 3 times faster than most people, and my
- programs are generally bug free and useful. I am no guru, but I sure am a
- professional, as good as most people at Microsoft or Borland. Okay. Does
- that mean that I could sit in my house and produce a better version of
- Microsoft Windows? How about Turbo Pascal? Of course not! It takes hundreds
- of man years to do that, and it takes the specialized skills of dozens of
- people. One man could not do it in a lifetime, any more than he could build
- a 747 airplane.
-
- For goodness sakes! You know perfectly well that is what I meant when I
- said "we are not in the running." It means we don't have to bucks for those
- pretty little toys from HP, and we don't have a staff of people to try
- sixty zillion variations on each experiment. That is why our experiments
- never work, and those of McKubre and P&F always work. They got the money,
- and we don't, and that is Life In The Big City. It is no reflection on your
- ability or intelligence.
-
- Good Grief! Give me a break!
-
-
- As I said, I have to do other work, I can't be posting these messages or
- responding. Sorry. Jon Webb's comments were particularly worthwhile, way
- better than before. Briefly:
-
- I meant "accept," or "understand" the significance of 90 sigma, to "get"
- those kinds of results by doing experiments with palladium requires a
- mountain work of labor and cash. The only worker you mentioned I am not in
- touch with is Ying, in Florida, because he is one of many minor people I
- think is wrong. I never gave him any credence. The people at China Lake
- tried a few times more, but they have no money and no time to do much
- additional work. McKubre may or may not "see fit" to publish, but that is
- certainly not his decision. SRI would never allow it, and neither would any
- other sane corporation. Corporations do not survive by handing out $3
- million dollar secrets for free.
-
- You are wrong about this:
-
- "You have a system into which you're putting a certain, fairly large,
- amount of energy, and in which you want to measure the excess energy
- emerging. But (partly depending on where the system is open or
- closed) some of the energy is going into evaporation, some is going
- into disassociation of water..."
-
- Look, I have measured heat, and there is nothing to it, as long as you
- don't try to get ultra-accurate. It is a Piece of Cake! Just drop the whole
- kit and caboodle into a bucket of water, and watch the thermometer. It is
- dead simple, people have been doing it that way for 200 years, it works
- fine. Don't worry about tiny little losses due to evaporation, or bigger
- losses due to disassociation of water -- just write them off! Forget them.
- Measure the gas, but don't bother adding it into the heat balance. Stuff
- like this should not matter, because you want a 70% excess, not 0.7%. If
- the results are close to the margin, and require skilled sorting out of
- minor effects like evaporation, then the experiment is no good. You want a
- BIG effect that drowns out all these minor sources of error. You want
- DEFINITE results, far out of the noise. If you can't get results like that
- nowadays, you are playing in the wrong league.
-
- You don't need to worry about a few watts leaking out of the hot parts
- because it is all underwater. The heat that you lose (or gain) "going into
- the palladium as it absorbs hydrogen or deuterium or into or emerging from
- various chemical reactions..." is marginal. There may be a few chemical
- reactions; okay, so let the experiment run a week, and they will fade out,
- because there is a limited supply of chemicals in there. Let it run a
- month. Let it run a year!
-
- So long 'till after the inauguration!
-
- - Jed
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