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- From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Subject: Webb is right
- Message-ID: <921229215812_72240.1256_EHL60-1@CompuServe.COM>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:38:16 GMT
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- To: >INTERNET:fusion@zorch.sf-bay.org
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- Jon Webb puts a great many words in my mouth, and then denies them all. I
- agree completely. The following is rubbish and nonsense:
-
- "Basically, you seem to believe every paper published that claims a positive
- result for cold fusion, and disbelieve every paper that claims a negative
- result." Good Grief no!
-
- "You claim that anyone can get 90 sigma..." That is the craziest thing I have
- ever heard. That is like claiming that anyone can build a functional RAM chip
- in their basement. If you want 90 sigma palladium results, you must do what
- SRI did: hire the best electrochemists in North America, work for 3 years,
- and spend $3 million dollars. It does not happen by accident.
-
- "The scientists you cite as skeptics look at the history of cold fusion
- experiments and see this pattern over and over: someone claims a positive
- result, then withdraws it later (or it just somehow disappears, being
- reported at a conference and then never heard from again)..."
-
- I hear from everyone in the field, at regular intervals. Whenever I call or
- fax, they tell me what they are up to. Who the Hell are you talking about?
-
- "Or someone claims to have gotten cold fusion to work, then can't get it to
- work anymore..." What do you mean "anymore?" Do you mean it does not always
- work the second or third time? Naturally. Sometimes you gotta try it again
- for weeks or months before it works again. The same thing happens when you
- program a computer, or learn to bake a torte. There is nothing unusual,
- unexpected or unscientific about that. Anyone who has ever developed a new
- product or learned a new skill has experienced that sort of disappointment.
-
- "Or someone tries a cold fusion experiment with apparently careful technique,
- and it doesn't work..."
-
- Who did you have in mind? Tom Droege? Me? He has done a handful of
- experiments, I have done three. So what? To succeed at Pd CF, you sometimes
- have to do hundreds of experiments. You have be prepared to work for years --
- full time -- with no results at all. Tom and I are not even in the running.
- Tom would have to hire half a dozen people, or 32 people, and spend million
- of bucks before he could authoritatively tell us what does or does not work.
- Tom is a great guy, but he is not playing in the same league as the Big Guns
- who get positive results every time they run the experiment. He and I are
- mere amateurs, puttering around part time, and you cannot draw any
- conclusions from the handful of meager experiments we have performed.
-
- What is your idea of 'apparently careful technique' anyway? One experiment?
- 10 experiments? Try 200 and call me back in three years. 'Apparently careful'
- to who? I have seen some vaunted, world-famous 'experiments' from supposedly
- careful people that were laughable. I could tell in an instant what they had
- done wrong: I mean, in one case, they left the cathode half out of the water!
- This is not a game for beginners. There is no room in this field for quitters
- who stop after one or two experiments without ever consulting with the
- experts. Are you saying that because the experiment is difficult, the
- phenomenon does not exist? Okay: light bulbs don't exist. It took Edison
- years to make a reliable one, didn't it? Airplanes and computer software
- don't exist. Recombinant DNA applications, and stable high-temperature
- superconductors will never exist. Balderdash!
-
- "As I understand it, you think that cold fusion exists... that it can be done
- in a wide variety of experimental situations, ranging from electrolysis of
- palladium or nickel to titanium soaked in deuterium gas to outgassing from
- palladium plates; that it sometimes produces tritium or He3 or He4 or
- neutrons or gamma rays..."
-
- You understand very little, but you got that partly right. I don't know
- anything about He3 or gamma rays, though, and you left out the single most
- important, most overriding and undeniable product; the key to the whole
- riddle:
-
- Heat
-
- Don't forget that! It is the easiest thing to measure, and the most
- conclusive, by far.
-
- - Jed
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