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- From: ames!FNALD.FNAL.GOV!DROEGE
- Subject: Misc
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:02:37 GMT
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- Thomas Kunich writes "...idea that Japan has some sort of magic when it comes
- to product development. ... tends to be a great deal more flexible in
- accepting ideas NIH. They also treat their employees wit much more respect."
-
- The problem is that Japan *is* a monolythinc society, and we can make
- generalizations about Japan. The US is very much ***not***. In comparing
- US to Japan, we tend to think of the stodgy 19th century management of General
- Motors, US Steel, Goodyear Tire, Western Union, and IBM. These companies are
- walking dead. New companies with new management styles who treat their
- employees much better than Japan does are growing and puching out the "walking
- dead" of the last century. So take heart, there is a new breed of companies
- who do not kill their employess with overwork as the Japanese do. They will
- take over corporate america. As the companies that produced unions die out,
- so will the practices of the unions that reduce our productivity. The new
- corporations do not generate unions because they treat their employees in a
- way that makes them part of the effort.
-
- Steven Jones recalls a joke by Bjorken. It was a bet with bj that got me into
- this business. I ended up winning $2 on a $100 to $2 bet. bj bet the $2 that
- "cold fusion" would be demonstrated within a year. What did he know! I have
- never worked so hard to try to loose a bet in my life1
-
- Paul Houle asks "Is ther any reason why this couldn't be done in , say liquid
- D2? ... "
-
- Don't see why not. I recall that only about 15 mw per cc is needed to start
- cavitation in H2O. This if for general cleaning purposes. The devices used
- in medical labs to break up cells deliver a few watts per cc.
-
- But much more efficient devices can be made with parabolic shaped transducers
- that focus the "ultrasound" at a point. Like they use to work on kidney
- stones, etc. I see no problems (well only the common ones that take 4 - 5
- years of work in a well equipped laboratory with trained assistants) to making
- such a device and doing experiments. If a focused device were "popped" once
- a second, you could do a lot of experiments in a short time. I estimete on
- the back of an envelope that it would take about 2 millijoules per pop for a
- rather large device. Remember "all that" energy is going into a very small
- bubble (or a few bubbles). So I don't think you would have to worry about
- heat loss as the dewar losses would be much larger. I have worked with a
- consultant who would love to design such a device! dale bass says it would
- be "very expensive". But expense is relative. Given motivation I could do
- it in my basement, and at about my current "cold fusion" expense rate. So
- on the scale of the SSC and Tokamaks, it would be very cheap! The only real
- problem might be if the electrostriction somehow quits at liquid H2
- temperatures. It does quit above the curie tempreature, but that is a high
- temperature limit. I am building such devices for the "water machine" spin
- off and might even learn to make them work.
-
- "Amen" brother Rauchfuss for some very nice comments on how to do science. If
- I ever get a positive result ( actually multiple, repeatable, positive results)
- I will be up here telling you all exactly what I did and debating what might
- be wrong until I convince a few of you to try to repeat it. None of you have
- to try, so it will be up to me to "sell" you on the merits of my work. The
- other path is to use the effect to build something useful, then I frankly won't
- give a damn. But I am too old to get rich, so I will likely try the former.
-
- Thanks to Chuck Sites for some nice work. Slowly a team comes together. We
- are all just learning to do this experiment and to generate results that we
- can trust. We are almost ready to get a good measurement should we get an
- "event".
-
- Tom Droege
-