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- From: rmk4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Robert Knippen)
- Subject: Re: Quantifiers
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.191312.8278@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:13:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec30.230419.4341@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
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- >
- >Restricted quantifiers, in ZFC or NF, are nothing more than formulae
- >with one free variable; (for all x in range Q)(P) means nothing more
- >than (for _all_ x)(if "Q holds of x" then P). There is no other way
- >of introducing restricted quantifiers in either theory.
- >
- I'm not at all interested in the points being disputed in this thread, but
- as an advocate of restricted quantification, I have to point out that this
- is dead wrong, unless I am confused about the nature of ZFC and NF.
-
- The point of restricted quantification, as I see it, is to avoid the
- nutty consequences that arise from using "if". One such nutty consequence
- is giving clear truth conditions in cases where Q holds of nothing. With
- restricted quantification, the semantics returns "tilt" when Q is true
- of nothing:(All: Qx)(Px) is not evaluable when Qx does not hold of any x,
- because no x get plugged into P. With unrestricted quantification,
- the proposition is true. These kinds of cases, which might be summed up
- as "results which do not seem consistent with natural language," multiply
- on further investigation. Even if I'm wrong about this, it is still wrong
- say that the two are equivalent. Unrestricted quantification forces you
- to split up the domain during evaluation, using your system. Restricted
- quantification allows you to stipulate a subpart of the domain, in which
- to evaluate a given proposition. Further, restricted quantification
- makes formulae more closely mirror natural language
-
- If this has been discussed early in the thread, just forgive me, don't
- bother flaming. I'm aware that I don't really know what's going on in
- the thread.
-
- Bob
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- r-knippen@uchicago.edu
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