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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,sci.logic
- Subject: Re: No Reification Here
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.140859.18884@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 19:08:58 GMT
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- In article <1hq0mhINNpda@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:
-
-
- >Oh. I get it.
-
- Good.
-
- >But stratification works fine in any case (well, I don't mean it has no
- >costs, but it does work).
-
- Hey, 115 grains of jacketed hollowpoint at 1365 feet per second works
- fine against a headache; however I would advise other techniques, in
- the absence of an independent motivation.
-
- >Thus, if you don't reify the predicate, you need to stratify. And if you
- >do reify the predicate, you need to stratify. Or perhaps there is some
- >other strategy. But so far, it looks as though all the strategies work
- >equally for reified and unreified predicates.
-
- Well, the difference is, if you reify the predicates, you stratify the
- properties. This is known as type theory. On the other hand, if you
- do not reify predicates, you stratify the syntax. This is known as
- vacuous word games, excuse me, the New Foundations.
-
- >I'm not sure I agree, by the way, that a predicate is meaningful if and
- >only if it expresses a property.
-
- Well, make up your mind then.
-
- >I can think of a couple of types of example. For one, one might agree
- >that a predicate is meaningful even though one thinks it should be
- >paraphrased out in a good, logical language. I suppose "yummy" might be
- >like that.
-
- Why would "paraphrasing out" eliminate the expression of any property?
-
- >For another, I suspect that there are some predicates that are
- >indexicals. "Occurred yesterday" might be such a predicate. (I believe
- >that it is.) Of course, I would agree that on any occasion of use,
-
- with the sole exception of the first day of creation,
-
- >"occurred yesterday" DOES express a property. So perhaps that isn't a
- >counterexample at all. But it expresses different properties on
- >different occasions.
-
- So what?
-
- >Hm. Those are the only kinds of examples I can think of.
- >(And it's possible that the "expressivist" predicates, like
- >"yummy," are best thought of as indexicals, too....)
-
- Perhaps all words are best thought of as indexicals; this, after all,
- is one lesson of pragmatics. However, I fail to see in what way this
- view would vitiate my claim that predicates are meaningful, iff they
- express a property.
-
- > Jamie
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-