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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,sci.logic
- Subject: Re: No Reification Here
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.114844.18880@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 16:48:42 GMT
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- In article <1hpqgkINNmi6@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:
-
- >>From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- >>PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:
-
- J:
- >>>But, I don't understand how using unreified predicates instead of
- >>>objects helps avoid set theoretic paradoxes. Grelling's paradox
- >>>uses only a predicate, and (unless I'm very confused) does not
- >>>require reification.
-
- MZ:
- >>You are very confused. If Grelling's paradox is regarded as purely
- >>syntactical, then it is unproblematic on a Quinian view that requires
- >>stratification (as spurious as such a requirement might be); if, on
- >>the other hand, it is regarded as semantical, then the contradiction
- >>depends on the assumption that the predicate "...is heterological"
- >>expresses a _bona fide_ property.
-
- J:
- >Well, if I was confused before, I am more confused now.
-
- You have my sympathies.
-
- J:
- >First of all, if a view (Quinean or otherwise) requires stratification
- >to deal with a purely syntactical predicate, then the issue of
- >reification is not the salient one. Stratification is a strategy
- >for eliminating the paradoxes whether the predicates are reified or not.
-
- Correct. Stratification is a purely syntactical trick. Rage away,
- Randall.
-
- J:
- >Second, I have no idea whether "is heterological" expresses a bona
- >fide property. I care only that whether it is a meaningful predicate.
- >(What would it express if not a bona fide property? A trope?)
-
- A predicate is meaningful, if and only if it expresses a property.
-
- J:
- >My point was that the Grelling paradox doesn't depend on any
- >quantification over properties, nor on a semantics that
- >assigns objects to predicates. It's solution is (must be)
- >independent of the question of reification.
-
- Well, that depends. I suggested two interpretations of Grelling's
- paradox. A purely syntactical one is blocked by stratification; on
- the other hand, the semantical one does not get off the ground, until
- and unless one comes up with a semantics that assigns a predicate
- object to the adjective `heterological'. So there you are.
-
- >Jamie
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-