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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Subject: Re: Calcium/Magnesium
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.235244.7619@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <altar.725581448@sfu.ca> <1992Dec28.234854.16347@pixel.kodak.com> <altar.725666594@sfu.ca>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:52:44 GMT
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- In article <altar.725666594@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
- >Nothing I've seen substantiates that Professor
- >Moon is a "crank". To successfully publish in medical journals like
- >ATHEROSCLEROSIS, JOURNAL OF THE AMERCIAN COLLEGE OF NUTRITION, CANADIAN
- >MEDICAL REVIEW, etc., is not something that a mere "crank" can likely
- >achieve. It is one thing to debunk an article published in, say,
- >a disreputable "pop" magazine like the EASTWEST JOURNAL OF HOLISTIC HEALTH,
- >it is quite another to vilify an accomplished researcher and published
- >expert on calciferol.
-
- It depends on what he's saying. Ted conveniently forgot to say that
- this latest paper of Moon's is listed in the journal's index as a
- hypothesis, and was published as such. It is not a rigorous study, and
- its conclusions are suspect. There were any number of methodological
- issues raised regarding Moon's assertions in the past 9 months since
- Ted first started regurgitating this stuff. It would be a mistake to
- consider Moon's opinions on vitamin D and its use as a supplement as
- reflecting current nutritional practice. Rather, it's a polemic against
- the use of vitamin D supplementation. But his ideas are controversial
- to say the least. Ted would have people think that they're received wisdom.
- They're not.
-
- >Instead, we are asked to take Mr. Dyer's word for it that
- >Professor Moon is a crank. Ok, then in that case I would like know what
- >Mr. Dyer's credentials are. Does he have a PhD from accredited
- >university? Has he any publications? Has even a graduate degree of
- >any kind?
-
- Argument from authority. Is this your favorite form of argument?
- I have a masters degree in software engineering and a bachelor's in
- biology, but I have 20 years of study in pharmacology, which has always
- been an interest of mine. Unlike Ted, I can recognize nonsense when
- it's being served up as truth, and I don't make a fool of myself through
- rote regurgitation of printed material in a hapless attempt to make
- people think I know what I'm talking about.
-
- >Second, no rebuttal of my "interpretation" occurred since at that time
- >no one had even read the study except for myself. Instead, all that
- >I saw were the mere quibbles about terms
-
- It would have been a "mere quibble" if you hadn't resorted to tens
- of articles regurgitating undigested (and uninterpreted) quotes from
- scientific textbooks vainly trying to prove that what Moon said to
- you (about calciferol being an "anabolic steroid"--snort) wasn't a
- falsehood. But noooo, Ted Altar, vegetarianism's own pit bull crossed with
- a chihuahua, insisted on prolonging his ankle biting instead of using his
- brains, and saying at the outset "Gee, I guess it isn't an anabolic steroid."
- For a "mere quibble", Ted, you certainly expended enough energy retyping
- irrelevant textbook chapters into your computer terminal.
-
- >and vilification of a
- >an accomplished researcher and professor of toxicology/nutrition teaching
- >at a major Canadian University. Hardly a very credible "refutation".
-
- I have the article now. I will address it over the next few days.
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
-