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- From: bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger)
- Subject: Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:35:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.232248.12941@pbhye.PacBell.COM>, mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman) writes...
- >> ...
- >>Well, first of all, everyone does not have a choice where to work.
- >>People take the jobs they can get, where they are. Because of the way
- >>our metropolitan areas have evolved, many of these jobs are not near
- >>mass transit.
- >
- >So don't work there.
- >
-
- From the first two sentences above, to which this line
- fails to respond, "everyone does not have a choice where to work.
- People take the jobs they can get, where they are." If the Bay Area
- coalition is this responsive at public meetings, the public officials
- are not going to listen.
-
- >>Secondly, there isn't a choice for everybody to live near transit.
- >>Because of the way housing is distributed, a significant fraction of
- >>the housing is not near mass transit. ... (As an aside, the housing
- >>close to mass transit here tends to be more expensive. The less
- >>expensive housing is farther from town and mass transit. So the less
- >>affluent are penalized.) The only way to provide this choice, as was
- >>discussed before....
- >
- >In the Bay Area (SF), 90% (per a poll) have transit access. They just choose
- >not to use it.
-
- As was pointed out in the responses from my fellow DC area citizen,
- James Acker, the Bay area is above average in this regard. Transit
- access is not as universally available elsewhere. Consider Los
- Angeles. Also, being near a transit line does not mean that such
- transit can be reasonably used for all trips. A number of the
- respondents have illustrated trips for which mass transit is nominally
- available but not a practical alternative. From my limited experience
- in the Bay area, it appears that transit lines follow a greater
- fraction of typical trips thatn they do here.
-
- >
- >>The answer is to get involved in the development process, to elect
- >>public officials -- or to BE elected public officials -- who will
- >>stand up to the developers and protect the integrity of the
- >>development plan, rather than accepting developer-driven development
- >>and trying to impose mass transit on a pattern for which it is not
- >>suited.
- >
- >I vote with my feet.
- >
-
- There appears to be a contradiction in approach here. Dr. Vandeman is
- approaching the problem of poor development by choosing to live near
- transit, (a choice which, as has been pointed out by a number of
- correspondents, is not available to all) rather than by political
- action. On the other hand, he approaches the problem of transit
- methods through political action rather than personal choice of
- transit methods.
-
- The local civic association to which I belong has opposed high-density
- commercial development in areas not convenient to mass transit. The
- county-wide civic association to which I belong has opposed (with some
- success so far) the construction of a "bypass" east of DC that would,
- in fact, serve as a focus for automobile-oriented development.
- Directing any development into corridors where mass-transit access can
- be arranged is an essential step in the process of developing a
- well-used mass transit system with public support.
-
- >>It depends what you need time for. If you need the time to read,
- >>fine. But you can't do shopping, run household errands, or pick up
- >>the kids from day care while you are sitting on mass transit.
- >
- >I didn't say transit is Utopia, only that it is viable. These things
- >can be done without driving, e.g. by bicycle (incl. trailer).
-
- This answer misses the point. The question is _time_. The original
- response was to the suggestion that time spent riding mass transit
- could be used productively, whereas time spent driving could not be.
- The point, which this answer fails to address, is that for many
- people, the few things that can be done on mass transit are not those
- for which time is needed.
-
- my views only
- BMS
-
-