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- From: ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Leonard T Roberts)
- Subject: Re: Just Curious...
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- References: <1992Dec8.151505.8324@walter.cray.com> <50040221@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> <1992Dec21.194505.12371@ns.network.com> <1h5khtINNdra@pith.uoregon.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:12:03 GMT
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- In article <1h5khtINNdra@pith.uoregon.edu>
- toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (J. Toman) writes:
-
- >
- >In article <1992Dec21.194505.12371@ns.network.com> hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:
- >>In article <50040221@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry) writes:
- >>>************** SNIP *********************************
- >>
- >>Nor are they the only ones. I've seen all sorts of sources trying to
- >>draw a link between modern day Western boxing and the sort that was
- >>practiced in the ancient Greek Olympics. Nope. Present day boxing
- >>dates back to the end of the 1700's, no more.
- >
- >So say two Gallic types wanted to brain one another but there weren't
- >any tools handy ; what did they do ? I find it difficult to believe
- >that with all that fighting that happened on the European continent,
- >someone somewhere didn't develop a stylised method of unarmed fighting
- >before the late 1700's. It might not have been 'boxing' , but there
- >were moves in there that turned in to 'boxing' . I guess your last
- >statement is just a bit discontinuous for me, and I'd need to hear
- >your history of boxing to believe it.
- >
- > J. Toman
-
- You might try getting hold of a copy of George Aylward's The English
- Man-At-Arms. It is not definitive, but what he said SOUNDS good, and
- it puts the beginning of unarmed combat in England back to about 1400.
-
- BTW, if anyone knows of any other books on this subject, ie. unarmed
- combat in Europe before 1700, I would be glad to hear of them.
-
- Thank you,
-
- Len Roberts
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