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- From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
- Subject: Re: America doesn't have a clue: (was DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.164957.2067@island.COM>
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- References: <thomasd.50.725148841@tps.COM> <1992Dec28.170620.2157@island.COM> <1992Dec28.190946.12722@netcom.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:49:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.190946.12722@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >
- >Mike Fester mentions the Lockheed case as an attempt, one assumes,
- >to justify Japanese buying of influence here.
- >
- >The Lockheed case was an isolated incident acknowledged to have been
- >wrong. People were, presumably, punished.
- >
- >Japanese influence-buying here is massive and consistent with
- >Japanese policy. That's a very big difference.
-
- You really haven't read very much on the subject, have you Mr Sternlight? Had
- you even given a CURSORY glance to van Wolferen's book, you would have found:
-
- the following McDonnell-Douglass/Grumman bribery was at least as large (over
- $1 million at an exchange rate of Y350 to the dollar).
-
- Both the Lockheed and M-D cases were not "influence peddling" but outright
- bribery.
-
- Tanaka, became BY FAR the most powerful man in Japan even AFTER while time in
- jail (the "shadow Prime Minister") which continued until he suffered a stroke
- in 1985. He was not, seemingly, too severely punished for taking a bribe from
- a foreign company. And BTW, Tanaka NEVER acknowledged he was wrong.
-
- His legacy still lived on in a) the mess of the current LDP b) the failure to
- this day to open the second runway in Narita c) the ever increasing role of
- money in Japanese politics d) his hand-picking of the next few Prime Minister's
-
- In short, as Karel van Wolferen disagrees with you, he must also be part of the
- Japanese apologist clique you mentioned so eloquently in one of your previous
- posts. But wait, isn't van Wolferen's books one of those recommended by the
- author of the 2-part series whose virtues you extoll? Why, yes it IS, Mr
- Sternlight. So, that 2-part series must also be part of the 'apologist' clique.
- But wait (again)! Aren't YOU lauding the virtues of that 2-part series? Why
- indeed you are! Therefore, you, along with my humble self and many, many
- others, must also be part of this 'clique'. I had no idea it was so prevalent.
-
- Mike
- --
- Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
- one disagreeing is either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally deficient, weak
- willed, inconsequential, namby pamby tool of some vaguely defined conspiracy,
- or b) my wife.
-