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- Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!hersch
- Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 15:10:02 EST
- From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Message-ID: <92361.151003HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: Radical feminists
- Lines: 56
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- In article <1992Dec24.032915.12400@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
- says:
- >
- >In article <92358.154429HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- >writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec23.195637.8547@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal )
- >Nadeau
- >>says:
- >>>
- >>> ("Gay", after all, is a euphemism coined
- >>>by people who couldn't face the reality of "homosexual".)
- >>>
- >>
- >>Nonsense.
- >
- >Then please enlighten me, Herschel. What is the origin of "gay" to mean
- >"homosexual"? And is there a distinction I'm missing between "gay" and
- >"homosexual"? (A serious query!)
-
- "Gay" or "the gay life" or just "the life" were terms once applied
- to persons of questionable sexual practices, particularly, and
- indiscriminately, to prostitutes and ...er...sodomites. Way back
- behind that usage there probably is a euphemism. At any rate, as
- I understand the story, the innocuous sense of "gay" was gradually
- developed as a code, a sort of sexual-underground cant. This was
- often made necessary by the legal persecution of queers, which made
- trying to pick someone up in a bar potentially a trip to the
- slammer. So in the barroom cant, one could say to another in whom
- one was interested "this is a really gay place, isn't it?" which
- signaled interest without being an actual come-on. This could
- be apocryphal, of course. At any rate, during the liberation
- wars of the sixties it was picked up as a self-identification
- by many. In recent years, a lot of folks, especially the more
- radical, have preferred "queer" which has the advantage of not
- sounding so stupid when used as a noun. But believe me, "queer"
- is not a euphemism for "gay".
-
- >
- >BTW, I meant nothing derogatory - however, euphemisms are commonly
- >used to avoid "unspeakable" words - words that shock either the
- >speaker, or the society the speaker lives in.
-
- Oh, I didn't imagine you were being derogatory; if I had thought
- that I would probably have borrowed from another thread and
- said "horseshit" rather than "nonsense". At any rate, it's
- merely common courtesy to call people by names they don't
- dislike. Few of us queers are actually *offended* by "gay"; many
- are offended by "homosexual", a term that arose in 19th-c. medicine,
- which in turn implies a way of thinking about sexuality that is
- distasteful, to me and to many others. Ultimately, of course, you
- can call me anything but late for dinner.
-
- H.
-
- Herschel Browne
- "The" American University
-