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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
- Subject: Re: Intro to me and question for all
- Date: 22 Dec 92 12:43:15
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Dec22124315@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <MUFFY.92Dec11202447@remarque.berkeley.edu>
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- <MUFFY.92Dec16171122@remarque.berkeley.edu>
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- In-reply-to: vicka@wrq.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:10:02 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec22.201002.4046@u.washington.edu> vicka@wrq.com (the Littlest Orc) writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec16171122@remarque.berkeley.edu>>
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >> [responding to Frances Selkirk
- >> Muffy might also assume that Vicka, who has been so very clear from the
- >> beginning of this as to what she, personally, meant by monogamous, was
- >> similarly clear to her lovers about what she meant by it.
- >>
- >>I have indeed assumed this.
-
- >No, you haven't. You've previously posted:
-
- > I think that claiming to be monogamous but then not acting
- > that way (in other words, lying to yourself and your partners) is.
- and
- >>Do you have any reason to believe that Vicka is anything but
- >>honest with her lovers?
- >
- > I have no reason to believe she is or isn't.
-
- Yup. First, there is a difference between "clarity" and "honesty."
- Second, I believe you are "as clear" with your lovers as you are with
- us. That does not mean that I believe you are being very clear.
-
- >> [Frances again] She used a word in a way you would not,
- >> while being completely, totally clear about that usage. Deal.
- >>
- >> Why?
-
- >Because there isn't any way to describe me within the limited lexicon
- >you'd like to allow. You've never offered any more useful term.
-
- Why not "polyamorous"? In fact, you *are* polyamorous, according to
- *your* definition ("max number of acceptable lovers > 1"). Also,
- according to the "societal" definition of monogamy you made ("max number
- of acceptable lovers = 1"), you are not monogamous.
-
- >> If I started using extremely insulting terms to refer to her, claiming
- >> that I had simply "redefined" them for myself,
-
- >The point is that I have never claimed to have "redefined" any word at
- >all. I use "monogamous" in a valid and extant way; it's only within your
- >personal limitations on the language that it's been "redefined".
-
- Nope, it is within the limitations as it is used by all the other people
- in our society that I have encountered, other than you and your two or
- three lovers and/or defenders.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-