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- From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
- Subject: Re: 302 parts compatible?
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- Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 20:30:20 GMT
- Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
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- -> Let me first say that you are certainly knowledgable on all things
- -> Ford so the next time I'm in an argument about size, weights, history
- -> and so on, I'll be sure to email you before I open my mouth. :-)
-
- <grin> Not to worry. I've recently been organizing all my Ford
- material and typing it into my big datafile. That's brought everything
- up fresh in my memory, including much stuff I'd either simply not paid
- any attention to or simply forgotten. For the next few months I'll be
- Mr. Ford Expert, and then I'll start putting my foot in my mouth again.
-
-
- -> anything V8. The big reason for dropping the Ford was our move
- -> (albeit reluctant) to unleaded petrol and the costs of converting the
- -> motor.
-
- I think that's basically why Ford dropped the 351C here after only five
- years. The EPA had Detroit in a state of terror, OPEC had cut off our
- oil supply, the economy was going to hell, and Ford was sitting there
- with *three* different 351 cubic inch motors and the hassle of plugging
- them up to the satisfaction of the Smog Nazis. Since the 302 and 351W
- shared a common basic head design, it was probably much cheaper to
- develop the Windsors. Also, the Cleveland had been developed as a
- performance motor and was never happy in low CR, short cammed form
- pulling around LTD and Torino portable living rooms. Performance had a
- bad name in 1974, so the Cleveland got the axe.
-
-
- -> The 351C and 302C Australian are no different to view - they look
- -> identical and many rely on the engine stamp to tell whether it is a
- -> 351 or a 302.
-
- Hmm. You might take a piece of coat hanger and bend it into a special
- Australian 302C Determination Tool. Take a 351, insert the wire in a
- plug hole, rotate the engine until that cylinder is at BDC, and make a
- bend in the wire. Then simply remove a plug and stick the wire in an
- unknown engine to determine the stroke. With 1/2 inch difference it
- would be easy.
-
-
- -> As to the American one, some found their way to the original GTs and
- -> as a consequence are rare as hen's teeth. I did see an original
- -> American 351C a long time ago but don't recall any discernable
- -> difference externally.
-
- The US motors will have a casting number, probably down by the starter,
- something like C8OZ or D2OZ. The C8 is 1968, D2 is 1972, etc.
- Australian parts usually have different part numbers, like A1970-xxxx.
- The 302-C conrods have Aussie-style part numbers forged in.
-
-
- -> Sheez, have you expose a niche market for me?? Anybody want to buy a
- -> 2 or 4 bolt 302 or 351C???
-
- Shipping eats you alive! But if you decide to do it, don't forget to
- throw in some 302-C cranks and rods and some of those nice closed
- chamber 2V heads. And the dual-disc hydraulic clutches. And don't
- forget the aluminum wheels - I've seen several Oz magazines claim
- Australia had the lowest prices in the world for aluminum wheels.
-
-
- -> I knew a guy who worked in the Ford casting plant in Geelong,
- -> Victoria (I think?) who remarked once that they dropped one from a
- -> great height and it didn't show a crack - indicating that they were
-
- I cast up a Carter AFB-to-Hitachi 4bbl carb adapter yesterday, to adapt
- a real carb to my wife's ailing RX7. I was melting some aluminum scrap
- I had, and ran out. There was an old aluminum Vega engine block out by
- the shed, and it had a few tabs and ears on it I figured I might be able
- to knock off with a hammer. I walloped it and broke off half the oil
- pan rail. Didn't take long to reduce it to and subsequently to molten
- aluminum.
-
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- Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
-